Chubby SR Teardown. RESIZED TO 640 X 800 but Still HUGE.

 
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Post by CapeCoaler » Wed. Jul. 07, 2010 8:45 am

Stove Polish works great on the cast iron parts...
Media Blasting is worth every penny but if you have more time than cash DIY...
So it comes down to how good is he with his machines. Would the job only take an hour? Do you think it would be a far better result than what you can do with your little brush. And how about that guy at 75 an hour -- would it take him 3 hours to do the same task?
Sting the $150/hr is the small job, has to be done right now, PIA customer rate...
If you can wait till he has several small jobs to be grouped together you get the big job rate...
By not being a PIA you get the better rate...


 
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Post by Yanche » Wed. Jul. 07, 2010 10:19 am

A couple of suggestions for sandblasting sources. Your local tombstone company. Local tombstone companies use sandblasting with rubber stencils to engrave letters. I have gotten good prices for sandblasting metal items there. Also facilities that do power metal coating have sandblasting facilities. These companies usually charge more because they have more elaborate equipment.

 
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Post by DOUG » Wed. Jul. 07, 2010 2:55 pm

Yanche wrote:A couple of suggestions for sandblasting sources. Your local tombstone company. Local tombstone companies use sandblasting with rubber stencils to engrave letters. I have gotten good prices for sandblasting metal items there. Also facilities that do power metal coating have sandblasting facilities. These companies usually charge more because they have more elaborate equipment.
That is were I found my local guy to sand blast for me. Good suggestion! :idea:

 
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Post by I'm On Fire » Wed. Jul. 07, 2010 4:39 pm

Thanks for the suggestions. I never thought of a tombstone place. I drive right past one on my way home from work. I could probably stop by tomorrow.

 
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Post by europachris » Wed. Jul. 07, 2010 7:52 pm

I'm On Fire wrote:I was using 24 grit Gator paper, it was taking it off fairly quickly too but it was getting clogged. Maybe I'll just keep it this black color for now and when it comes time to tear it down again to clean I'll just strip it again and repaint. I'll post pics tomorrow of it painted too.
The stove paint will come right off if you hit it with rag soaked in Toluene. Until it's been "cured", it is hardly more than black dirt on the stove and will come off easily.

For actual stripping, I use the 3M paint stripping pads for the angle grinder. They aren't cheap, but they last - one pad stripped my Iron Fireman stoker and most of the parts. I had to buy a second pad for a few smaller items and some touch-up. They work 10x faster than a wire brush and do a better job besides. Oh, it's nice not getting a free acupuncture treatment from the wire brush fragments, too!

Also, for regular stove paints, do NOT use a primer. The paints are made to go onto bare, clean metal. I used Stove-Brite brand and they have a nice range of colors that any stove shop can order. It goes on super nice and looks fantastic. My Keystoker is holding up beautifully after 3 seasons already.

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Post by McGiever » Wed. Jul. 07, 2010 9:46 pm

I'll second the STOVE BRIGHT Paints.

Readily available, great selection of colors, rated for 1200* F, and priced right.

I get mine online from Northline Express...best price around and delivered in 24 hours to my location w/ very reasonable shipping fee.

On a side note; You don't use primer unless it's going outside, such as BBQ Grill.

Stove Bright's website has directions for how to apply it properly.

 
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Post by JB Sparks » Thu. Jul. 08, 2010 6:27 am

Thanks to all for the great info. One question, Sting, Why do you call POR-15 crap? Have had a bad experience with this product? I have never used it but, I read through the product web site and it seems that it would do the job in protecting a previously rusted surface.


 
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Post by Sting » Thu. Jul. 08, 2010 8:00 am

Your still simply covering over the rust ! The product is over priced and over advertised as to its capability. While its true, the material will hold out a further eruption of rust - for a while --> even I can hold out a while with my eruption.

Your mileage may vary.

The real point I was attempting to make was -- your questioning the responsibility of spending XX dollars for a sandblasting of the surface. --- vs -- using grinding disks or brushes, power, rust dust abatement inside the dwelling, chemical strippers and or sealers ( example: the por product) leaving rust in the depth of the rust pits and in the corners ---- then painting and maybe expecting a premium result. :?

The por product is simply a modified enamel. You can achieve a similar result without all the unnecessary film build or expense, with a fish oil enamel or an old alkyd base enamel. That result being you covering up a sin. Besides, once the appliance is hot; the moisture on the outside will be driven off, and no further rusting will occur.
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Post by I'm On Fire » Thu. Jul. 08, 2010 8:01 am

I'm going to order some of those 3m pads and re-strip the stove. Maybe I will change the color of the stove after all. :)

Anybody know of a good website to purchase both Stove-Bright Paint and Stove Polish from?

 
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Post by I'm On Fire » Thu. Jul. 08, 2010 8:12 am

Sting wrote:Your still simply covering over the rust ! The product is over priced and over advertised as to its capability. While its true, the material will hold out a further eruption of rust - for a while --> even I can hold out a while with my eruption.

Your mileage may vary.

The real point I was attempting to make was -- your questioning the responsibility of spending XX dollars for a sandblasting of the surface. --- vs -- using grinding disks or brushes, power, rust dust abatement inside the dwelling, chemical strippers and or sealers ( example: the por product) leaving rust in the depth of the rust pits and in the corners ---- then painting and maybe expecting a premium result. :?
I never said anything about expecting a premium result. I just want to get through maybe a season until I can afford to have it media blasted. I work on cars as a hobby, I know have metal parts from a car media blasted is the best thing for them but like I said, with this coal stove, I have a budget. The budget consists of the money I get from selling my wood burning stove and my log splitter.

 
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Post by Sting » Thu. Jul. 08, 2010 8:19 am

good -- then you know what your in for when applying over an inferior substrate. As to your question regarding the products claim reliability - well lets just leave it at that -- the claims of salesmen! :D

 
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Post by coal berner » Thu. Jul. 08, 2010 1:57 pm

I'm On Fire wrote:I'm going to order some of those 3m pads and re-strip the stove. Maybe I will change the color of the stove after all. :)

Anybody know of a good website to purchase both Stove-Bright Paint and Stove Polish from?
http://forrestpaint.com/index.php?page=color-cards

http://www.woodmanspartsplus.com/50390/Stove-Poli ... aners.html

http://www.woodmanspartsplus.com/20874/Hi--Heat-Paint.html

 
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Post by I'm On Fire » Thu. Jul. 08, 2010 8:00 pm

Thanks for the links Berner. :D

 
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Post by McGiever » Thu. Jul. 08, 2010 10:17 pm

I'm On Fire wrote:I'm going to order some of those 3m pads and re-strip the stove. Maybe I will change the color of the stove after all. :)

Anybody know of a good website to purchase both Stove-Bright Paint and Stove Polish from?
I get mine online from Northline Express...best price around and delivered in 24 hours to my location w/ very reasonable shipping fee.
As in http://www.northlineexpress.com

 
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Post by I'm On Fire » Fri. Jul. 09, 2010 11:25 am

Does anyone have a number for Larry? I've been calling the number on his website so I can order parts from him today but the phone just rings and rings and rings. I don't even hear an answering machine pick-up to leave a message. Although, it does go; "Beep, Beep" after about 9 rings. Is that his answering machine?

I know I sound like a moron.


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