My Parents New Home/ Renovation

My Parents New Home/ Renovation

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat Jul 24, 2010 9:54 am

I'm actually enjoying myself because I haven't really swung a hammer in 20 years. One problem that was always present at our old house was you were very limited on what you could do inside the house because of the double block configuration and no land to expand. Not a problem anymore. This house was built in 1951, it's concrete block on the exterior. The construction is awesome, it's actually mostly square and level everywhere you work. quite a difference from the old house. There was carpeting covering all hardwood floors throughout all the main rooms we will refinish. They are in superb shape, very tight installation. There was very little work done to modernize this house over the years so they are completely renovating the kitchen except the cabinets and both bathrooms. This is just the starting blocks to get moved in. There is lot to be done, everything was well maintained.. it's just old.


Their new home sits on a 1.5 acre lot in a semi rural area. It's triangular shaped lot with the house sitting in the back corner, it's mostly flat with grass in the center. There is a large red maple in front of the house and the entire lot is ringed with enormous trees safely within the survey lines. :D Ashes, oaks, maples and a few pines.... Some of the pines will be meeting Mr. Husqvarna in the future :P


Here's the front of the house. You can see a rock wall to the very left behind the house, that extends down to the road. On the left is very large open area all grass in front of the house. I'll get some more pictures of that.
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This is the living room that is off to the left of the front foyer when you walk into the front door, it's huge. Something like 22X15 excluding the area that is wallpapered to the left of the fireplace was the "dining room" as described by the previous owner. The wall paper has been removed :sick: . They are getting all new windows through the whole house which are coming Monday that are being installed by friend and myself.
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Here's picture of the "dining room".
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Here's the back porch off the living room. We're going to move the sliding glass door from it's present position to where this door is. My mother always wanted a "sun room", now she'll get one when we install windows probably next Spring/Summer. :D

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Here's two of the Kitchen. The green tile is gone, I actually felt bad taking it out because it was installed so well and in such great shape but the color was terrible. The green was more like a institutional color and not for a home.

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That second picture would actually be where I put in a 8 foot arched passageway to get into the new dining room that was a bedroom. I'll get some pictures and keep them posted as I'm going along. This will be a about a year project so there is going to be a lot going on. Right now I need to complete the kitchen, two bathrooms and the minor stuff in my parents bedroom, living room and new dining room. Once that is complete they can move in which is fast approaching at the end of the end of August.

Future things include the sun room I already mentioned, the basement which is a full basement of about 1500 and has a fireplace too. Since they lost a bedroom to the dining room they want to add an addition to make a new master bedroom possibly with a master bath. My Dad wants to put a pole barn. There is no laundry room so the garage is going to lose some space to that. Insulation in the attic, deck, all the electric has no ground plugs....... the list is endless really. They got a pretty good price on the house since it was so outdated so they were fully prepared for this. At this point both the attic and basement are fully open so that is one good thing, at least I don;t have to be working around ceilings and floors. Going to be fun.

Last picture, this is little outbuilding behind the house with the third fireplace. It will make nice centerpiece for the new deck. :D
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The telephone pole you see is because they ran it behind the house, kind of weird it's not on street.
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Re: My Parents New Home/ Renovation

PostBy: Pa Dealer On: Sat Jul 24, 2010 10:05 am

I see hot water baseboard on the walls,that type puts out great btu's :)










ry
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Re: My Parents New Home/ Renovation

PostBy: cabinover On: Sat Jul 24, 2010 10:11 am

Pines and chainsaws...just something so right about that mix.

Nice looking house Richard.
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Re: My Parents New Home/ Renovation

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat Jul 24, 2010 10:14 am

FYI yes the house is pink, wait until you see pink bathroom. :lol: Insulation on the exterior and some type of siding/stucco is also on the list.

We had baseboard before but it was copper with aluminum fins, the coverings were somewhat cheesy. I guess your average coverings. This baseboard is black pipe and steel fin and much larger. Very heavy. The coverings are also very heavy gauge steel. I dismantled coverings, we're going to strip and paint them. The kitchen and two bathrooms have steel boxes installed in the walls that kind of look like coverings for radiators. They have the same steel pipe and fins.

It's oil heat now (I hate saying that, I really miss hearing the stoker kick on), we'll work on getting coal this fall or next year. Possibly installing the furnace from the old house in the pole barn, might get new a new boiler as my brother is putting up workshop and may use it at his house. The Old Van Wert is going somewhere is all I know.
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Re: My Parents New Home/ Renovation

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat Jul 24, 2010 10:18 am

cabinover wrote:Pines and chainsaws...just something so right about that mix.


I don't mind them as small mix but there is lot of smaller ones that really look bad. The one that actually looks really nice is growing into the lower branches of an ash so that is definitely going.

An even better mix will be the chain getting hooked from a truck to all those overgrown evergreen bushes in front of the house.
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Re: My Parents New Home/ Renovation

PostBy: SuperBeetle On: Sat Jul 24, 2010 10:44 am

Very nice looking house. Sounds like you are making a lot of progress.
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Re: My Parents New Home/ Renovation

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Sat Jul 24, 2010 9:16 pm

Very nice, Richard. My best wishes to your parents for many years of happiness in their new home.
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Re: My Parents New Home/ Renovation

PostBy: SMITTY On: Sun Jul 25, 2010 7:54 am

What a nice place! Going to be sweet when it's all done!

Looking forward to the several pages of pics this project will surely produce. :D ;)
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Re: My Parents New Home/ Renovation

PostBy: Richard S. On: Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:00 am

This first one is to get some perspective on the front yard, like I said a lot of big trees surround the entire property.

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This would be view looking into the living the room from the Kitchen area. As you can see there is no more carpets or wallpaper from the pictures I posted above. Really strange but on two walls of this room and few other walls in the other rooms the paint was removed with just a large spackling knife.... easily. Almost like a bonus because it only took an hour to get to bare walls. This would have been the original paint and a contractor friend suggested they might have painted before the plaster was fully dry. He said he came across the same thing in house before. Any room that had newer paint was fully stuck on. We probably would not even had known it would come off that easy except we were pulling wallpaper off the one wall and it was coming off then.
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This would be take from living room above looking into the kitchen area. You can see three arches, the one in the living room was original. The second two are new. The one leading into the kitchen arch originally was a doorway with a door leading The door went and we widened it about 2 feet.
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We're in the foyer are still looking towards the kitchen. This is my cluster something or other... :P This is going to look cool as I'll have two arches converging on one point.
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The walls are in great shape, other than the damage I've done and some minor cracking around the larger windows in the living room there is no problems with them. The original walls are what I believe they call rock lathe? There is 3 layers of material, the inner or first layer is like 1/4 sheetrock that is 16 inch by 8 foot sheets installed horizontally and nailed to the wall which is different than most plaster I've worked with because there is no wood lathes. The second layer averages about 1/2 thick and is like a brittle concrete that was installed manually. The outer layer is about 1/16th of plaster. Each corner inner and outer has steel mesh embedded in the concrete like layer, outer corners have bull nose corner bead.

The wall depth ranges from about 5/8 to 1 inch but is averaging about 13/16 in most places. We're using 5/8 sheetrock and shimming it out as necessary.

Two more from the this arch from other side.
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This is the big arch leading into what was bedroom. While the living room is big and could have served as dining room too this worked out much better. Expanding the doorway and adding this really opened the kitchen up. In the first picture the window on the left is going to be doorway out into the back yard. The second picture is looking back into the kitchen.
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This was another area with a small doorway we opened up. The square you see on the ceiling was a small broom closet. Off to the right here behind the wall is an area that used to be a small bathroom but there was a lot of wasted space, We're going to bring the wall out to about the corner and either do bath with shower or laundry room. On the left hand side where the cabinets are a small counter top is going in with cabinets below it.
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Here's looking into the garage, my Dad wanted a garage his entire life now he has one... except Mom wants to make a master bedroom. :lol: Doesn't matter because he'll be building himself nice big garage at some point. The may keep it and add addition on back for new master bedroom. Note the nice I-Beam running through the center if you wanted to put a hoist in.
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Into the cellar! The pool table was included and is actually a pretty good one and in good shape. It also has it's own fireplace. There is some minor water problems but we think we might have that solved because the one rain pipe wasn't in a very good place to drain away from the house. We want to finish this larger room as a bar/entertainment center. There's three heating pipes to move that run the lenght of this room on the left and we'll have nice clear joists ready for sheetrock. We're going to reconfigure the heating anyway possibly with the boiler outside in my Dad's new pole barn.

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Off to the left is a room that will probably be small workshop and there is another where the boiler is. Both are pretty big.
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The Pink Bathroom... :lol: It's shame to rip all this out because it is in such great shape but like the tile in the kitchen the color sucks. The window is boarde up becuse that is the one we ripped put to see how we we were going to install new ones so we had right measurements.
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This will be the master bedroom at least until the addition or garage gets converted.
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This is another small bedroom, a teenagers dream as it has it's own door going outside. It appears this was added taking up garage.
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The floors in the living room, master bedroom and new dining room have excellent hardwood floors. No stains and in very good shape. The only problem is some nail holes from carpet installation in some areas which we should be able to fix easily.
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Some of the smaller rooms like the bathrooms have heating like this installed, it looks like a radiator and has a nice cover not pictured here. The rest of the house has very large baseboard heating. The covers themselves are very heavy.
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Last but not least some pictures from the back of the house. If they put an addition on it will be going on left side of the house here so they can take advantage of the roof line. That smaller bedroom will get even smaller so they have a hallway leading to it and the door going out pictured here will be the bedroom door.
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Re: My Parents New Home/ Renovation

PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:22 am

Wow what a project - a total overhaul! It's going to look mint when your done - can't wait to see the pics! 8-) Perfect location too - away from the street, no houses right on top of you, perfect yard, and a MINT basement! Reminds me of my buddy's place with the pool table. I can picture a bar & pinball machine down there ... ;)

Your parents must be real happy. And what a nice guy you are for volunteering! I'd be the guy sick 5 days a week ... I'm not big on remodeling ... :D
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Re: My Parents New Home/ Renovation

PostBy: Richard S. On: Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:43 am

It's not a complete overhaul, in the living room for example all you're doing is cleaning up the walls a little and painting, refinish the floor. They could have moved into this house, the work in 3 of the rooms is minimal, even the existing molding is in really good shape, when I say that I mean it doesn't look like it was painted 50 times by 10 year old kids. The house was well maintained. The one big addition to those rooms is hardwood sills and moldings around the windows through the whole house but that is after they move in. Need to get the planer, molding machine (yes we own a a molding machine) and other machines setup temporarily for that project. It's actually nice because you can go nuts and it doesn't cost much at all when you compare it to retail cost.

As far as the cellar goes I have some pretty good plans for that. :D I saved the front doors off the old house that burned, they are mahogany. 8-) I'm going to build a wall and use the doors like a front door to the bar. I'm going to get the old man a neon sign that says "Zeke's Pub", that was his nickname when he was a kid.

I'd be the guy sick 5 days a week ... I'm not big on remodeling


Actually I'm enjoying myself, I spend too much damn tie on the comp especially the last few years. It's almost like a vacation.

One thing we're a little puzzled about is the mystery pipes.... There's drains in the cellar floor and all but the one gutter I mentioned above also go into the ground. :shock:

We're not sure where they drain off at. I've looked around out by the road hoping there was water coming from somewhere but no luck. We suspect there might be a gray water tank/drain field because the sewer is separated from the sinks and shower at least on the inside of the house. They all exit the one wall separately and we don't know if they go into same pipe outside.
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Re: My Parents New Home/ Renovation

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Tue Jul 27, 2010 2:20 am

Why do you think all those trees are so big...
Lots of water... :lol:
The septic pumpers will usually have a device they put on the end of a fish tape and they can trace out where the pipes go...
Then there is the camera that snakes down the pipe...
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Re: My Parents New Home/ Renovation

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:52 am

I'm glad to see you are not afraid of diving into a project! Lots to do but it will look great when it's finished. :D
The original walls are what I believe they call rock lathe? There is 3 layers of material, the inner or first layer is like 1/4 sheetrock that is 16 inch by 8 foot sheets installed horizontally and nailed to the wall which is different than most plaster I've worked with because there is no wood lathes. The second layer averages about 1/2 thick and is like a brittle concrete that was installed manually. The outer layer is about 1/16th of plaster.

That's how it was done at the time that house was built. Over the studs lathe board is nailed up, then a rough plaster is added, that's called the ground coat. Over that is the finish coat that you see.

We suspect there might be a gray water tank/drain field


Is there a sewer system there or septic?
If there are no sewer system and no upgrading has been done the house may very well have a pit cesspool, usually only the bathrooms drain into it. The other sinks and laundry usually drain into dry wells or a separate system. That's what I have here.
http://septic-system.securewwm.com/cesspool.htm
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Re: My Parents New Home/ Renovation

PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue Jul 27, 2010 11:12 am

Yeah probably has a drywell for grey water, gutters, & cellar drainage. Very common up here. Saves your septic tank from getting pumped out every 2 years if you have a large family. Most houses in my neighborhood still have this setup ... and have had it for over 50 years.

My laundry doesn't go into my septic tank, but everything else grey water does (showers, sinks). Just had it pumped out recently for the first time in 10 years, & it was working perfectly.

My grandfather built his own septic tank out of concrete blocks when he built his house out of scrap lumber from the hurricane of '38. Never got pumped once & he raised 4 kids there. Ground was just starting to get mushy over there when the state took the house to pay for my grandmother's nursing home, after my grandfather died in '93. Have fun with that MA! :lol:
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Re: My Parents New Home/ Renovation

PostBy: Richard S. On: Wed Jul 28, 2010 3:31 am

Wood'nCoal wrote:Is there a sewer system there or septic?
If there are no sewer system and no upgrading has been done the house may very well have a pit cesspool, usually only the bathrooms drain into it. The other sinks and laundry usually drain into dry wells or a separate system. That's what I have here.


No public sewer, too far in the country, it's 4 miles from town and you're looking at lot sizes 1 to 10 acres with a few farms. It has a septic tank, matter of fact a new one was installed in 2006. They did test it during the house inspection which consisted of running of all the faucets for 2 or 3 hours. he had some kind of flags out where the drain field was. I didn't see any water on the ground or anywhere else.

There is a b-dry system in the basement and the owner already disclosed there is small water problems during heavy rains but the only water problems I've seen is some minor leakage on the one corner and that is located near the only rain pipe that that didn't go into the ground. We set up some PVC temporarily and now we only need some heavy rain to see if it helps. You can see it in this picture.

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Over the studs lathe board is nailed up, then a rough plaster is added


There is a name on it, think it might be US Gypsum company. I'll have to look. The inner layer is more like concrete, but a loose concrete. If you run a sawzall through it for ten feet you have no teeth left. It's weird because it will cut through it easily enough but the teeth will be completely gone. One thing that is nice about it is easy removal, you don't get six gazillion pieces all over the place. Once you get it started it will come off in big pieces.
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