wood/coal inserts

wood/coal inserts

PostBy: badxmple On: Wed Apr 11, 2007 10:42 am

Hello everyone Can anyone tell me if there is a wood/coal fireplace insert that has glass in the doors to see the fire I think harmon made one but I cant seem to find any other one. Am I looking for a ghost or what. Most stores tell me one or the other now not both wood/coal. Thanks Bob
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PostBy: coal berner On: Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:16 pm

try a google serch wood/coal fireplace inserts and try ebay there where some on there the other day good luck most of the coal stoves companys make them but only for coal i am sure somebody still makes one for both ill try and find some and let you know .
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PostBy: gambler On: Wed Apr 11, 2007 3:41 pm

Isn't one of the Hitzer inserts a wood/coal burner?
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PostBy: LsFarm On: Wed Apr 11, 2007 3:42 pm

Hitzer makes a nice insert that is hopper fed, with a glass panel in the door. We have several members on the forum that have Hitzer stoves, they are built like a tank, and have great customer service.

Here is a link to the Hitzer stove:

http://www.hitzer.com/model503.html

Greg L.

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PostBy: coal berner On: Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:15 pm

LsFarm wrote:Hitzer makes a nice insert that is hopper fed, with a glass panel in the door. We have several members on the forum that have Hitzer stoves, they are built like a tank, and have great customer service.

Here is a link to the Hitzer stove:

http://www.hitzer.com/model503.html

Greg L.

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HEY GREG I think from what i see on there site the 503 is for coal only IT looks like there is no upper draft for wood but the 983 is for both mybe i am wrong
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PostBy: bksaun On: Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:25 pm

JC, you are wrong, the 503 has a removable chute, the 983 does not and wood does not care where the air comes from.

BK
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Stove/Furnace Model: 503 Insert/ 700/GJ-62

PostBy: coal berner On: Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:46 pm

bksaun wrote:JC, you are wrong, the 503 has a removable chute, the 983 does not and wood does not care where the air comes from.

BK
bk I stand corrected you are correct the hopper comes out i did not see that before thanks for correcting me
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PostBy: Charlie Z On: Wed Apr 11, 2007 8:02 pm

The 503 is 'optimized' for coal - it can burn wood, but only has under grate air, the hopper (removeable), and a small firebox.

The 983 is a better compromise for burning both. Large box, no hopper, under and upper air controls, etc. They cannot advertise burning wood in the 983, as it is not an EPA stove, but if you study it's construction, it's surely for both. Probably best with the double door option.

The always thought harman coal insert is probably large enough to burn wood reasonably well, too.
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PostBy: bksaun On: Wed Apr 11, 2007 8:33 pm

Charlie Z is right, looks like the 983 is better for wood!

BK
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PostBy: coal berner On: Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:39 pm

Hey bk that was the point i was trying to make earlier with the 983 it would better for both wood/coal as for second dairy daft it makes a difference when burning wood it will burn better in my experiences burning wood any one else
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PostBy: Charlie Z On: Thu Apr 12, 2007 7:13 am

PS - We almost bought a 983. A Coalbrookdale Darby stove came up and we bought it instead. Not surprisingly, very similar in specs to the 983.

We would have gotten the 503 for no-compromise, simple, coal heat but came upon a coal/wood boiler that will be the 'central' system. So we headed for a 'compromise' stove, in order to burn wood on cool nights.

(I don't like compromise solutions if they can be avoided. What threw me was beauty of the cast iron Darby, so this really wasn't a rational decision.)

If your purpose is to heat your home in a simple, no fuss way, I'd go with straight coal and the 503. If your fireplace is for the 'weekend fire', with (massive) backup heating capability, then the 983 is a good choice.

Great value in the Hitzer line, too.

BTB: a friend dropped off about 30 or so old apple and cherry trunks. I have about 5 cords of fruit wood to buck/split and burn, so I'm glad for the ability to burn wood. I enjoy the work, now, anyway.

But!... 2 full weekends of bucking, splitting and stacking (seasoning stack, not final) is not free fuel! I'm glad not to need to do this to heat my home. It's a *ridiculous* amount a work to prep the fuel, then feed the fire every 4-6 hrs! Hooey!

If you remember the Steve McQueen movie, "Sand Pebbles", I'm going to look like one of the ship's stokers down there in the basement.

"Honey, come out of the basement."
"More Steam!"
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PostBy: badxmple On: Thu Apr 12, 2007 12:45 pm

Thanks for the info the 983 looked good but I found 1 prob the story of my life [1" to short lol ] on the depth it takes 17" deep fireplace mine is only 16" hope I can find somthing good used somewhere. They look to be pretty spendy brand new. The wife wants to see the fire. Make her happy we are all happy. Thanks for the links Bob
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PostBy: castiron On: Sun Apr 15, 2007 11:53 pm

I thought the EPA recently outlawed stoves advertising that they could burn wood and coal because there were too many compromises when designing for both. If, for example, the stove was designed primarly for coal then it was a poor wood stove and vice versa......anyone know anything about this??

I think this is why the Hitzer and the Vigilant II now only say they burn coal whereas they previously said they could burn coal or wood.....
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PostBy: Yanche On: Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:29 am

The EPA regulates residential "wood heaters". The wood heater regulation requires wood stove manufacturers to undergo emissions testing at an EPA-accredited laboratory to certify that each wood stove model line complies with the particulate emission limit of 7.5 grams/hour for non-catalytic wood stoves and 4.1 grams/hour for catalytic wood stoves. The details are here: http://www.epa.gov/Compliance/monitorin ... hregs.html

There is a EPA list of wood heating appliances that are exempt from regulation. See: http://www.epa.gov/Compliance/resources ... ptwood.pdf

I'm not aware of any EPA regulation of residential coal heating appliances, i.e. stove, boilers or furnaces. Perhaps stoves that were once sold as coal or wood stoves could not meet the standard and they were re-labeled as coal only.
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PostBy: Charlie Z On: Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:55 am

The (newer?) single door doesn't have the secondary controls. I like the damper control, too on the 983. Neat stove.

Here's a Canadian link with some of our favorites burning "bois et anthracite". We can't say that here:
http://www.keystoneinc.ca/nos_produits/poeles.html
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.
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