A simple proposal

A simple proposal

PostBy: rberq On: Fri Aug 13, 2010 6:59 pm

There seems to be a growing consensus that Congress in general, and the Senate in particular, are dysfunctional. They listen mostly to those with money, and shirk the big long-term problems of the country because they fear giving bad news to the electorate. They look mainly to the next election, follow the party leadership in voting rather than study and decide for themselves on issues, and spend more time raising campaign funds than they do legislating.

I wish we selected four candidates for each House and Senate seat by random lottery, from all citizens who volunteered. Of the four, the one with the most votes would win. They would be paid well, serve a single term of ten years per Senator, six years per Representative, then put out to pasture. They would have a lifetime pension adjusted annually based on some measures of GNP, poverty rate, crime rate, and so on, to give them an incentive during their tenure to look at the long-term good of the country.

Is this such a crazy idea? How could it be worse than what we have now?
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Re: A simple proposal

PostBy: smokeyCityTeacher On: Fri Aug 13, 2010 7:46 pm

but What happens when Basil Marceaux and Alvin Green are selected in the same group ?

:=)

Id still like to be able to blame myself for D.C.
Of course monkeys have been know to pick better stocks that the ave market investor during some decades.

You might have something
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Re: A simple proposal

PostBy: jeromemsn On: Fri Aug 13, 2010 7:50 pm

I don't think we should have elected official. I think the country as a whole should vote on all issues and stop paying elected officials, get rid of the planes, all the cars, no secret service, just think of all the nickels and dimes that would save.
Elected officials have been making rules for 200 years and nothing has changed or has changed for the better. It's time for all the people to have a voice, one voice one vote. just think of the money everyone could make off of the corporate machine.
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Re: A simple proposal

PostBy: freetown fred On: Fri Aug 13, 2010 7:53 pm

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Re: A simple proposal

PostBy: freetown fred On: Fri Aug 13, 2010 8:01 pm

freetown fred wrote:I kinda like it but,I think the 10 & 6 should be 5 & 3 ;)
As far as no elected officials??wouldn't work! Every mass needs a spokesperson or ideas & thoughts become jibber-jabber---not thrilled with it,but,we need concerned,informed,attentive leaders :) no spokespeople/leaders = chaos
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Re: A simple proposal

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Aug 13, 2010 8:01 pm

5&3 sounds better & no pension, allow them to invest with matching funds while in office, pretty soon there are no longer going to be pension plans from Co.s & the Gov. should get rid of them also.
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Re: A simple proposal

PostBy: freetown fred On: Fri Aug 13, 2010 8:04 pm

Damn,you mean act like the rest of the population--wouldn't that be ideal :D
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Re: A simple proposal

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Aug 13, 2010 8:25 pm

Yep Fred, if you listen to whomever runs they are doing so because they believe they can make things better for the country, what better way to leave office knowing that you did indeed serve your country & left things better. That in itself should be worth more than the pay, at least if you believe what they claim.
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Re: A simple proposal

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Aug 13, 2010 8:55 pm

jeromemsn wrote:I don't think we should have elected official. I think the country as a whole should vote on all issues and stop paying elected officials, get rid of the planes, all the cars, no secret service, just think of all the nickels and dimes that would save.
Elected officials have been making rules for 200 years and nothing has changed or has changed for the better. It's time for all the people to have a voice, one voice one vote. just think of the money everyone could make off of the corporate machine.


I think that was called "The Roman Empire" and it got out of hand and ended badly.

How about we just repeal the 17th amendment? Then the senators are more directly tied to their states.
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Re: A simple proposal

PostBy: jeromemsn On: Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:09 pm

I understand that in the days before the Internet and the ability to do mass voting on a much more simpler level that it would be necessary to have politicians. It's 2010 and times have changed and we just can't keep paying for blunders of a few people that make decisions for all of us based on how much money is received from different corporations. If a splinter is what ails you then get rid of the splinter. Politicians get way to much pay and give nothing back but pork and pork is out tax money going for nothing. I'm telling you get rid of the part timers in the big buildings now.

We live in an age where everyone has a telephone in there ear. Next time your out and about go to your local government office and see how many employees are walking the halls......why? we are all plugged in one way or another, and with the money a government worker makes an hour I want them at there desk sorting out all the red tape, not walking the halls jibber jabbing.

Government is just out of hand so get rid of all of them and pay the bills off.
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Re: A simple proposal

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat Aug 14, 2010 12:26 am

rberq wrote:I wish we selected four candidates for each House and Senate seat by random lottery, from all citizens who volunteered.


I'm not liking that idea at all, here's the problem. People that volunteer for positions of power are generally power hungry and I think that's true to some degree with our current system. If you were going to have a pool of volunteers my fear would be that you'd have many in that pool that wouldn't be qualified greatly increasing the chances of having 4 really bad selections.

I don't want to derail this thread but I think ultimately we need term limits for every elected position in this country whether it's the town dog catcher or the President. How they get elected should remain unchanged.

I think part of the trouble is our elected officials are the bottom of the barrel so to speak and I'm not so sure how you solve a problem like that. People that are very successful and would be the best qualified rarely go into politics. It's probably the most slimy "business" you could get yourself involved in.
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Re: A simple proposal

PostBy: smokeyCityTeacher On: Sat Aug 14, 2010 12:59 am

jeromemsn wrote:I don't think we should have elected official. I think the country as a whole should vote on all issues and stop paying elected officials, get rid of the planes, all the cars, no secret service, just think of all the nickels and dimes that would save.
Elected officials have been making rules for 200 years and nothing has changed or has changed for the better. It's time for all the people to have a voice, one voice one vote. just think of the money everyone could make off of the corporate machine.


I am a software developer and Id like to write the voting machine software
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Re: A simple proposal

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat Aug 14, 2010 1:30 am

Any and all software/hardware that is used for voting needs to be completely open source. It sounds easy, we have voting in polls right here but these polls are irrelevant to your life. Their would be lots of very hard probelms to overcome for such a system, how do you accommodate those without a computer?

It would be fantastic if everyone could vote on these issues but how long before they become overwhelmed or are voting on issues they have no clue about?
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Re: A simple proposal

PostBy: freetown fred On: Sat Aug 14, 2010 7:27 am

Just one old guys observation,but,I also think term limits,as suggested before would be a great start to fixing the JOKE our political system has become :)
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Re: A simple proposal

PostBy: rberq On: Sat Aug 14, 2010 8:38 am

freetown fred wrote:Just one old guys observation,but,I also think term limits,as suggested before would be a great start to fixing the JOKE our political system has become :)

Term limits would help, yes, which is why I suggested a single term and then out to pasture. But if the political machines can just pass on nominations to their selected candidates, then each new office holder will be a clone of the previous one. Random choosing of candidates would take selection out of the hands of the party machines. Richard has a valid point about volunteers perhaps being more power-hungry than qualified -- I don't know quite what to do about that.
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