Questions about a Sears "Champion" Coal stove/furnace

Questions about a Sears "Champion" Coal stove/furnace

PostBy: WessWackos On: Thu Aug 19, 2010 8:36 am

I'm seriously considering the idea of heating my new to me home (first time home buyer as of 3pm yesterday) with a coal stove due to the electric baseboard heat. We currently have adopted a large unit in our new basement that appears to be sold by Sears and carries the make CHAMPION. It is clearly a coal stove, but I'm wondering if anyone has any insight on these stoves? It is obviously OLD, but seems to be very well built and I'm sure the previous owners used it at one time. Problem is they are dealing with Parkinson's and Dementia respectively so I cannot get any info from them.

Can anyone help?
WessWackos
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Leisure Line
Stove/Furnace Model: Pocono Back Vent

Re: Questions about a Sears "Champion" Coal stove/furnace

PostBy: wsherrick On: Thu Aug 19, 2010 8:47 am

Hi and welcome to the Forum. Is this a Stove or a Furnace or a Boiler? A stove heats the room around it. A furnace is connected to air ducts and heats air for the whole house. A boiler heats water to be piped to radiators throughout the house.
Pictures would be a huge help.
Regardless of what type of heating unit you have. There is plenty of help and expert knowledge here.
wsherrick
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Glenwood Base Heater, Crawford Base Heater
Baseburners & Antiques: Crawford Base Heater, Glenwood, Stanley Argand
Coal Size/Type: Chestnut, Stove Size

Re: Questions about a Sears "Champion" Coal stove/furnace

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Thu Aug 19, 2010 8:58 am

Sure we can help - In fact, I think you will have beat us off with a stick. :D I'm just the first of many who will reply but remember it's summer and a lot of folks don't check in everyday. It may take a few days to get the answer you need. First off can you send pictures? We really like pictures. I did a quick search on Sears Coal Stoves in the archives. There are many posting that mention them. Here are some

Kenmore

Need Homart Furnace Grates

info wanted for Wehrle coal stove

Well System Air

You may want to check out the archives, there maybe some other postings that closer match the information you are looking for. From what I've read the Sears Coal stove was made by several different companies and sold under the Sears brand name. There is one posting that tells you that their Sears stove was made by the Warm Morning Stove Company. That would be a good thing if it is true about your stove. Those stoves are out of production but parts are available. I guess it all depends on what year your stove was made as to who actually made it. Does your stove have any dates or foundry information stamped on it? Does it have fire bricks on the inside corners that are curved? This is where pictures will be nice to help pinpoint and retrieve knowledge stored in the "body of knowledge" of the forum. Anyway, I hope this provides some place to start while everyone else is still waking up. ;) Good luck, Lisa
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Re: Questions about a Sears "Champion" Coal stove/furnace

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Thu Aug 19, 2010 10:02 am

Welcome to the forum. Seems Lisa already asked all the important questions. Post some photos when you can, we love pictures here!
Wood'nCoal
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: 1959 EFM 350
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Magnafire Mark I
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Fisher Fireplace Insert

Re: Questions about a Sears "Champion" Coal stove/furnace

PostBy: WessWackos On: Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:08 pm

It is a stove, clearly no air ducts, and no water pipes attached. It is a larger unit, probably 4 feet tall x 2' wide x 2' deep.

You guys are awesome, I knew this was the way to go. I will take a bunch of pictures of the stove and post them later.
WessWackos
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Leisure Line
Stove/Furnace Model: Pocono Back Vent

Re: Questions about a Sears "Champion" Coal stove/furnace

PostBy: WessWackos On: Thu Aug 19, 2010 11:08 pm

I snapped some pictures as promised.

Stove had an aluminum "dog tag" attached to the back

Sears Roebuck & Co USA

Model #: 102 18420

It has an oval shaped stove pipe.

Thoughts? Please tell me it's a rare/vintage stove worth 25K...
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WessWackos
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Leisure Line
Stove/Furnace Model: Pocono Back Vent

Re: Questions about a Sears "Champion" Coal stove/furnace

PostBy: SMITTY On: Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:08 am

Looks like a beefy unit. Should burn well, & throw out LOTS of heat. Nice, deep firebrick - that's a good thing. Loading from the top will be a good thing for you, especially if your using bagged coal. Definitely a keeper. I've never seen one of those before, but the design is right for making heat.

I don't see a shaker handle attached to those grates. Is there one? That you will definitely need. EDIT: I see it now .... your all set!



You're making a wise choice - you would have fainted at the sight of your electric bill come winter... as one of my buddies did! 8-)
SMITTY
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Patriot Coal - custom built by Jim Dorsey
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III (not currently in use)
Coal Size/Type: Rice / Blaschak anthracite
Other Heating: Oil fired Burnham boiler

Re: Questions about a Sears "Champion" Coal stove/furnace

PostBy: WessWackos On: Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:16 am

Is there any way to "guess" the BTU's that could come? Are we talking in the 40,000 range? 70,000? 90,000?

We are going to schedule to have someone come and take a look at the unit and the chimney to be sure everything is in working order.

Please, keep the advice and feedback coming!
WessWackos
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Leisure Line
Stove/Furnace Model: Pocono Back Vent

Re: Questions about a Sears "Champion" Coal stove/furnace

PostBy: SMITTY On: Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:25 am

If you measure the firebox - H, L & W - you can calculate a rough idea of BTU output, if I remember correctly. I can't remember where I saw this, but I know it was somewhere on the forum. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Someone will a few more brain cells than I will chime in eventually on that subject ... :)
SMITTY
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Patriot Coal - custom built by Jim Dorsey
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III (not currently in use)
Coal Size/Type: Rice / Blaschak anthracite
Other Heating: Oil fired Burnham boiler

Re: Questions about a Sears "Champion" Coal stove/furnace

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Fri Aug 20, 2010 10:44 am

Here is the formula...
http://nepacrossroads.com/about15468.html#p177980
Be conservative with the efficiency number 70-75%...
Nice to have the hopper loading feature...
That stove should put out some nice heat...
50,000 btu/hr as a ballpark minimum...
It may be worth 25k in savings on your electric bill over time... :lol:
CapeCoaler
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: want AA130
Hand Fed Coal Stove: DS Machine BS#4, Harman MKII, Hitzer 503,...
Coal Size/Type: Pea/Nut/Stove

Re: Questions about a Sears "Champion" Coal stove/furnace

PostBy: wsherrick On: Fri Aug 20, 2010 11:00 am

That must have been the top of the line product from Sears at the time. Your stove is a Circulating Stove. That is the outer steel shell causes air to be brought into the bottom of the stove and drawn upward as it is heated and then it exits out of the top. These are very powerful heaters and they are able to heat an entire house if you place them so the hot air can easily move to where it is needed. This one looks like a huge stove. The loading Magazine (hopper is today's term for a self feeding magazine) will allow the stove to burn for seveal days on one loading of coal.
Before you use it you need to look it over for any cracks or warping around the fire pot area. The seams should also be probably re sealed with furnace cement.
You have a great stove there, I'm surprised that it got left behind. Well, no matter take advantage of your extremely good fortune.
wsherrick
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Glenwood Base Heater, Crawford Base Heater
Baseburners & Antiques: Crawford Base Heater, Glenwood, Stanley Argand
Coal Size/Type: Chestnut, Stove Size

Re: Questions about a Sears "Champion" Coal stove/furnace

PostBy: Rob R. On: Fri Aug 20, 2010 1:59 pm

I think you will be impressed with the heat output of that stove, it reminds me of my old Heatrola. Seal up the cast iron sections the best you can with furnace cement, and consider adding a draft control.

Depending on how the chimney is setup, I would see if you can add some brick in front of the stove and pull it out of the hearth. The circulating function of the stove will be greatly improved if it is out in room.
Rob R.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93
Other Heating: Dad's 1953 EFM Highboy

Re: Questions about a Sears "Champion" Coal stove/furnace

PostBy: Sting On: Fri Aug 20, 2010 2:34 pm

I have two of these in a three season room -- Its a large room -- but anyway, I burn scrap wood in em.

Someone has to load each one about every 15 minutes, but yes they do put out a lot of heat. :D
Sting
 
Other Heating: BurnHAM=NG-gas

Re: Questions about a Sears "Champion" Coal stove/furnace

PostBy: WessWackos On: Sat Aug 21, 2010 9:24 pm

Sting, is it a complete waste of time to burn wood in them?

This is GREAT info everyone! Anyone else have wisdom to share with a rookie coal burner?

What size coal would be best to burn in this stove?
WessWackos
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Leisure Line
Stove/Furnace Model: Pocono Back Vent

Re: Questions about a Sears "Champion" Coal stove/furnace

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Sat Aug 21, 2010 10:14 pm

WessWackos wrote:Sting, is it a complete waste of time to burn wood in them?

This is GREAT info everyone! Anyone else have wisdom to share with a rookie coal burner?

What size coal would be best to burn in this stove?


Not Sting, but my personal opinion is it's never a complete waste of time to burn anything, heat is heat. However, getting wood to burn in a stove designed to be a coal stove is not always easy; wood needs an over the fire draft while coal needs an under fire source of air. Combination stoves tend to burn one fuel well and not so well with the other fuel. Coal will offer you hours of burning with little or no attention. I would suspect that stove you have will hold at least 50 pds of coal and burn for 15 or 20 hours at a time. With the top load hopper set up I suspect your time factor for tending the stove is going to be the size of your ash pan.

I recommend that you search the archives on "how to light a coal stove or fire." And don't wait until you really need the heat to try to light your stove. Burning coal has a steep learning curve and can be quite frustrating. I think that your stove would could burn either pea or nut coal sized coal. Each size coal has it's own burning characteristics and what you use depends on the type of heat you want - slow and longer burning or fast and hot. There has been a lot of discussion in past posts on that topic. Check the archives. You need to check out barometric dampers while you are in the archives, too. They can save you a lot of money while maximizing your heat output. Good luck, Lisa

FYI I did a search on Champion Stoves and traced them back to the Champion Hardware Company of Northern Ohio and upstate New York. Then I lost the trail. The Company apparently did a lot of foundry work for many different items and brand names not the least of which was the Sears Stove. The latest date of stove production I could find was in the mid-50s. Looking at the cabinet style of your stove I'd put it in the mid to late 50s also. I couldn't find a user's manual or any other documentation.
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