Pelosi call for opponents of the HAMASQE to be investigated

Pelosi call for opponents of the HAMASQE to be investigated

PostBy: smokeyCityTeacher On: Thu Aug 19, 2010 10:34 am

Her absurdity has reached new heights. She claims there is a conspiracy between those who oppose the Hamasqe and we need to investigate to see where their funding comes from.
The opponents are the chiefly families and friends of the victims, people who live in the area, and lastly, according to polls, nearly 70% of the american people.

Nanci once again demonstrates she is living on another planet.


#Obama Akbar# !!
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Re: Pelosi call for opponents of the HAMASQE to be investigated

PostBy: Sting On: Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:47 pm

Another planet? --or this one with a double standard. :x
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Re: Pelosi call for opponents of the HAMASQE to be investigated

PostBy: smokeyCityTeacher On: Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:40 pm

Sting wrote:Another planet? --or this one with a double standard. :x


The people opposing it are people who don't need "funded" to voice opposition. The people building it need $100 Million dollars.
We know who is opposing it - we don't know who is funding it.
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Re: Pelosi call for opponents of the HAMASQE to be investigated

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Thu Aug 19, 2010 10:20 pm

I'd be more concerned about this guy then anything Pelosi can spew forth:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feisal_Abdul_Rauf
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Re: Pelosi call for opponents of the HAMASQE to be investigated

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Aug 20, 2010 8:40 am

Don`t get this this post wrong I don`t believe in the wisdom of building the mosque there & now. But having said that I do believe that in our country they have to right to, if there are no standing laws against it. If we as a country start to pick & choose who should not be covered by our laws & rights then we are allowing our rights to be eroded away. If you on one hand profess to believe in our form or government & then on the other say another shouldn`t have the same rights as you then maybe its yourself that you should be looking at. Now as to looking into what or who is financialy opposing it in this day & time it might just be as important as knowing where the money to build is coming from, I hate to say that because I really didlike Pelosi but there might be sound reasoming behind it.
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Re: Pelosi call for opponents of the HAMASQE to be investigated

PostBy: SMITTY On: Fri Aug 20, 2010 8:58 am

That deep, burning hatred I have for nancy pelosi has just gotten deeper! :mad3: :mad2: :bang: What a useless windbag!!!! She should have married a kennedy ... they're one in the same. Same smug attitude as a MA career democrat on Beacon Hill.

This mosque should NOT be built - PERIOD. This is islam throwing it right in our faces while the world watches. Are we going to be pansies in front of the world, & give in to them in the name of freedom? With this spineless administration, probably. That will be interpreted as a muslim victory. Open season will then be declared by terrorists. They will believe that they are one step closer to their goal -- which is to wipe out America by virtue of it's perceived weakness . But I have to say, pelosi, obama & the crew are doing a hell of a job on that one already!! :mad:

Tell those bastards to build that stupid mosque in Iraq, where it belongs! Just the fact that they are even THINKING of building it near ground zero is reason enough to send them packing!! Why the hell can't these damn politicians see this????????????? WAKE UP YOU STUPID F***ERS!!
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Re: Pelosi call for opponents of the HAMASQE to be investigated

PostBy: Yanche On: Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:32 am

The entire NYC mosque issue is blown out of all proportion.

Few bother to even find out what the building proposal is. Quote from the news report:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/bf1110d8-a5b0 ... abdc0.html

Begin Quote:

The plans for the centre were ambitious. At a cost of $100m-$150m, its 13 floors were intended to house a cultural centre, a 500-seat performing arts centre, culinary school, exhibition space, swimming pool, gym, basketball court, restaurant, library and art studios. The top two floors would house a domed space for prayers. “We insist on calling it a prayer space and not a mosque, because you can use a prayer space for activities apart from prayer. You can’t stop anyone who is a Muslim despite his religious ideology from entering the mosque and staying there,” said Imam Rauf’s wife and partner, Daisy Khan, who runs the American Society for Muslim Advancement, from an office housed on the Upper West Side’s famed Riverside Church. “With a prayer space, we can control who gets to use it.”

End quote

Seems to me the detailed intent in not called it mosque but calling it a "prayer space" is an attempt to exercise some control over who gets to use it. Surely the majority of the American Muslim community do not support the radical takeover of their religion. Apparently if it's truly a mosque, the religious beliefs cannot prohibit it's use by any Moslem, even the radicals. It sure looks like a way to keep the radical fringe out. If this country has religious freedom and the proposal meets all the zoning and building laws how can it not get approval?
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Re: Pelosi call for opponents of the HAMASQE to be investigated

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Aug 20, 2010 2:39 pm

Wood'nCoal wrote:I'd be more concerned about this guy then anything Pelosi can spew forth:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feisal_Abdul_Rauf


If this guy is such a bad actor, why is he on the government payroll?

Not another Bin Laden puppet gone rogue I hope....
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Re: Pelosi call for opponents of the HAMASQE to be investigated

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:02 pm

samhill wrote:Don`t get this this post wrong I don`t believe in the wisdom of building the mosque there & now. But having said that I do believe that in our country they have to right to, if there are no standing laws against it. If we as a country start to pick & choose who should not be covered by our laws & rights then we are allowing our rights to be eroded away. If you on one hand profess to believe in our form or government & then on the other say another shouldn`t have the same rights as you then maybe its yourself that you should be looking at. Now as to looking into what or who is financialy opposing it in this day & time it might just be as important as knowing where the money to build is coming from, I hate to say that because I really didlike Pelosi but there might be sound reasoming behind it.


I actually agree with you, samhill, on the right of the mosque to be built wherever it can afford to legally build, the equal protection of the law, and the equal rights of citizens. In particular you stated:

If you on one hand profess to believe in our form or government & then on the other say another shouldn`t have the same rights as you then maybe its yourself that you should be looking at.


But please explain to me: why don't the wealthy have the right to keep their income in the same proportion as the poor?
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Re: Pelosi call for opponents of the HAMASQE to be investigated

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:19 pm

Mike` if we had a flat tax like its been talked about here & else where many times then everyone would be keeping the same proportion. That is as long as there are no tax loopholes put in to protect special interests, same flat tax for all. Also this mosque as its being described would IMO be subject to tax just as most churches, temples or anything else you may want to call them, they are for profit businesses.
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Re: Pelosi call for opponents of the HAMASQE to be investigated

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Thu Aug 26, 2010 10:39 pm

I had no idea you supported a flat tax, Samhill.

As for churches, they are not taxed in any way unless they violate the IRS rules about politics and religious enterprises. The pastor must pay income tax but churches and their income are totally exempt; So would all 501(c)(3) mosques, temples, & churches.
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Re: Pelosi call for opponents of the HAMASQE to be investigated

PostBy: franco b On: Thu Aug 26, 2010 11:43 pm

mikeandgerry wrote:But please explain to me: why don't the wealthy have the right to keep their income in the same proportion as the poor?


The wealthy should pay more proportionately than those of lower income because they have more to lose, and in that sense they consume more of publicly provided services such as national defense, police and fire protection, and even education. More dollars are being protected.

Income is not earned in a vacuum, but is the result of an environment that is conducive to the acquisition of wealth. That environment was not created by the wealthy but by the sacrifice of those who have gone before, some of whom were wealthy in establishing a form of government that all can share in. Would Bill Gates or Steve Jobs have done as well in any other country?

To carry equality even further, why should the owner of a 5 million dollar house pay more in real estate tax than the owner of a 200 thousand dollar house? Or why shouldn't everyone pay the same tax? Never mind proportional tax. It seems you favor proportional tax but object to incremental proportionality. If one is good then both are.

I think the real problem is the moral rot that pervades our government.
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Re: Pelosi call for opponents of the HAMASQE to be investigated

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Aug 27, 2010 8:31 am

Mike, I know why religious buildings didn`t have to pay property tax, don`t agree with the exemption but there are a lot of things I don`t agree with but accept. I don`t know about all religions but if a pastor or other does draw a set salary then that would be taxed as far as I know, its the unaccounted for donations & fees that I think should be taxed along with some form of property tax. The catholics support the vatican, pope & everything else in Rome that IMO is is nothing but a large money vacumn but where does all the money go from all the others that have the huge McTemples & take in mega bucks so their pastors can live in McMansions & have TV programs to solicit even more.
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Re: Pelosi call for opponents of the HAMASQE to be investigated

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:30 pm

franco b wrote:The wealthy should pay more proportionately than those of lower income because they have more to lose, and in that sense they consume more of publicly provided services such as national defense, police and fire protection, and even education. More dollars are being protected.

Income is not earned in a vacuum, but is the result of an environment that is conducive to the acquisition of wealth. That environment was not created by the wealthy but by the sacrifice of those who have gone before, some of whom were wealthy in establishing a form of government that all can share in. Would Bill Gates or Steve Jobs have done as well in any other country?

To carry equality even further, why should the owner of a 5 million dollar house pay more in real estate tax than the owner of a 200 thousand dollar house? Or why shouldn't everyone pay the same tax? Never mind proportional tax. It seems you favor proportional tax but object to incremental proportionality. If one is good then both are.

I think the real problem is the moral rot that pervades our government.


I think we are on the same page franco b.

A flat tax means that the equality is in the rate of taxation. For example, the person earning 250,000 pays 10% of that income tax or $25000. The person earning $25,000 would pay 10% also or a tax of $2500. It is equal in rate and proportional to income. The rich person pays their proportionate fair share since they do consume more of the resources of this nation but the poor person carries the burden of a tax on his basic sustenance which is inordinately high.

The tax system we have now is called a progressive tax. Incomes are not treated equally by applying the same rate, they have rates that vary directly with increasing levels of income. For example, the first person in the first example might pay 20% of his 250,000 income or $50000 while the second person might be paying 10% of their $25000 income or only 2500. A person earning less than a certain level of sustenance will have zero or negative tax. The rate of taxation is not equal between the taxpayers nor is it proportional to income. In other words, while the lower incomes have their survival needs considered before taxing their income, the rich are penalized for their high contributions to this nation.

Personally I don't like either tax. I think the fairest tax would consider the basic level of sustenance for individuals and families of various sizes and taking into account individual conditions (like age and disability) and exempt that portion of their total income. Above that amount, which might be in the range of 20,000 for an individual; 50,000 for a family of three, a flat tax of 10% of all net income should be the maximum tax and no other deductions should be allowed.

I also think that there should be a nominal minimum tax for all able-bodied adult individuals regardless of income level so that everyone, as president Obama likes to say, has "skin in the game". Something on the order of perhaps $300/yr minimum no matter who you are. I also think that it must be paid in cold hard cash, in person, at your local post office or national bank so that everyone is a taxpayer who feels the burden. Upon payment you get your "I'm a US taxpayer" card validated thus entitling you to federal services based on need. Otherwise, No tickee, no washee, no exceptions.
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Re: Pelosi call for opponents of the HAMASQE to be investigated

PostBy: franco b On: Sat Aug 28, 2010 6:23 pm

mikeandgerry wrote:Personally I don't like either tax. I think the fairest tax would consider the basic level of sustenance for individuals and families of various sizes and taking into account individual conditions (like age and disability) and exempt that portion of their total income. Above that amount, which might be in the range of 20,000 for an individual; 50,000 for a family of three, a flat tax of 10% of all net income should be the maximum tax and no other deductions should be allowed.


I like it. Provided net income is really net and not after special deductions from various social engineering schemes by the government.
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