Thinking of Moving Hitzer 82 Ul From Basement to 1st Floor

 
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Post by mason coal burner » Sun. Aug. 29, 2010 3:19 pm

setup stove last year connected to 1 heat register with 8" inline booster fan . setup works well but I was wonder if I moved it to the 1st floor could I burn less coal and not run the fan as much . anyone know what it cost to run a fan all day ? does anyone have there 82 in their living area ? just looking for other opinions .


 
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Post by CapeCoaler » Sun. Aug. 29, 2010 4:00 pm

I moved my coal stove from the first floor to the Basement...
Did not like the fan noise with the Harman Mark II...
A DSM Basement #4 replaced the Harman...
No fan and an extra 60,000 btu/hr...
The house is setup for natural air circulation...
Big grates and cold air returns...
Just have the NG FHA fan set to run 10 minutes every hour for air filtration...
The fan does not cost much to run...
I like the warm basement and warm floors above the basement...

 
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Post by mason coal burner » Sun. Aug. 29, 2010 4:08 pm

basement is rubble stone and very drafty . really only one utilty room the rest is crawl space 2' if i'm lucky . I built a case around it with the 8" duct .

 
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Post by franco b » Sun. Aug. 29, 2010 5:42 pm

Will it make tending the stove easier or harder on the first floor?

The basement has a lot of heat loss. How well does your surround insulate it.

Look at the plate on the fan to see how many watts it draws. Look at your electric bill and divide the number of kilowatts you used into the total bill which will give you the price for one kilowatt.

Electricity costs me 25 cents per kwh, so if the fan draws 50 watts times 24 hours equals 1200 watts or 1.2 kwh which would cost 30 cents times 30 for the month equals $9.00. The fan might draw more or less than my example.

 
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Post by Coalfire » Sun. Aug. 29, 2010 6:33 pm

Mason coal burner,
Refresh my memory what is your house style ranch, capecod, bi-level??? How much coal did you burn last year? I have a ranch home, stove in the basement wouldn't have it any other way, no vents in the floor basement steps is cold air return and warm floors it's great. I could probably shave a little coal usage if I would get more natural airflow(hate fan noise), but I only use 2.5 tons(roughly 2800 sq ft incl. basement) so not really concerned at this point.
Anyway could a few cans of expand-a-foam could seal off some of those drafts? I would be more for that than moving a stove upstairs just my opinion.
Have a great day, Eric

 
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Post by mason coal burner » Sun. Aug. 29, 2010 7:04 pm

it would be much easier on the 1st floor . my basement is like a dungeon dark , spider webs , 5.5 - 6' ceilings and i'm 6'5" . the shell is fairly well insulated . I used 4" block on the walls and sheet metal cap with a 8" duct coming out the top . fan says it draws .6 amps . my house is a cape but it is layed out like an old farm house . 4 corner rooms with a open foyer connecting all the rooms . the foyer is the only open part of the house . I burned 60-70 lbs per day when it was cold .

 
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Post by Coalfire » Sun. Aug. 29, 2010 8:53 pm

Can you easily move the stove up? Do you have another available flue upstairs or how will you vent the stove? It sounds like you have a plan though


 
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Post by mason coal burner » Sun. Aug. 29, 2010 9:09 pm

just going to move it strait up 1 floor . blast new hole in same flue and fill in old one .

 
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Post by franco b » Sun. Aug. 29, 2010 11:22 pm

.6 amp fan = .6 x 120= 72 watts. If you ran the fan 24 hrs. it would consume 1728 watts or 1.728 kilowatt hours.

You could also consider another stove upstairs. Your back must be taking a beating not to mention hitting your head.

 
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Post by sharkman8810 » Mon. Aug. 30, 2010 9:37 am

The amount of BTU's you would need to heat the house would drop because you wouldn't have the basement heat loss, but without an open floor plan, do you have a way to move the hot air from the room it will be in, to other rooms on the same floor? If you can still get the needed circulation of the heat without heating the basement it would definitely be a benefit.

 
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Post by mason coal burner » Mon. Aug. 30, 2010 10:16 pm

moving the air is a big concern . may still need fan to move some air .

 
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Post by sharkman8810 » Tue. Aug. 31, 2010 9:41 am

Yes also don't forget about makeup air. If you move the hot air out, you should move cold air into the room to be heated, and provide oxygen for combustion. What may work good is installing cold air returns in rooms you want the heat, and have a duct fan suck the cold air from the cold rooms, and blow it into the room with the stove. Basically create a vacuum in the colder rooms for the warm air to move into. A stove as big as the 82 can roast you out of a room if you can't effectively move the air around, it was built to be used more in a furnace application.

 
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Post by mason coal burner » Sat. Sep. 04, 2010 3:14 pm

just figured out that I am paying 16-17 cents / kwh . I think I can handle paying to run a fan . how much could I cut my coal consumption . the way it is setup now I run the temps 350-375 and burn 60-70 pounds of coal / day . also need to figure out why my electric bill is 190/month .

 
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Post by dbjc364 » Sat. Mar. 26, 2011 9:27 pm

I totally disagree with moving the stove. Once u do that your floors will most certainly be colder which will make you feel colder in general-and also your heat travels up thru the floorboards etc. It's way cheaper to radiant barrier the cellar walls by far.You wont like the noise of the blower either. We have ours in the cellar-did the walls with Radiant Barrier-with the air gap and its a very noticable change from what we had. The floors are great now and heat travels up thru the floors. A small "Chubby" is being installed this summer in the living room with a small fan to push the heat around-replacing the pellet stove.We also have a somewhat open floor plan.

 
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Post by McGiever » Sun. Mar. 27, 2011 6:21 am

Only weighing in on the fact that fan could be remote from the stove, to alleviate the noise.


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