new taxes effective 1 Jan 10

new taxes effective 1 Jan 10

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Sun Sep 05, 2010 12:28 am

Hi everyone,

I found this assessment of the tax increases we face on Jan 1, 2010.

So..."how's Obama working out for you?"

Let me lead off with a hearty, It Sucks! I particularly like the 20 additional taxes in the health care bill. Yeah, more taxes, less service and less accessibility. That's just about what I expected, what everyone should have seen coming. Lisa

http://www.atr.org/days-thebr-largest-t ... ory-a5370#
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Re: new taxes effective 1 Jan 10

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Sun Sep 05, 2010 8:41 am

I saw on another board that some insurers have notified employees to expect 50-85% increase in their HI costs at renewal. Oh yeah, those benefits are taxable now too. :)
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Re: new taxes effective 1 Jan 10

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Sep 05, 2010 11:47 am

Once again Lisa, please check out the snopes site or any other of this type of site of your chooseing. It seems that so many want this admistration to fail that they are more than willing to accept any rumors as fact without even checking.
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Re: new taxes effective 1 Jan 10

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Sun Sep 05, 2010 1:15 pm

No, Sam I suggest you do a google search of Obamacare, new taxes, and any other combination of nouns you can come up with. You will find article after article on the tax increases that are facing the American people on 1 Jan. These articles are coming from all over including Democratic Congressman, the CBO and other government agencies. You have Congressmen back peddling as fast as possible from Obama, his health care law and his tax and spend agenda. When Gerry Connolly, the Democrat Representative for my district, who has his nose so far up Pelosi's butt he has to use a snorkel to breath, is backing away from the Obama agenda and calling for the extension of the tax breaks now in place - you should be able to see something isn't right. When Bill Clinton is campaigning for a New York Congressman who is aggressively opposed to the Obama agenda, you should be able to see something isn't right.

Unfortunately, you refuse to acknowledge any of this for heaven only knows why. I know I don't have time to continue to point it out to you. The fact of the matter is the standard of living in the country has gone down significantly since Obama took office. Come on, a 9.6 unemployment rate? The only new jobs to be had is in the government? Why is that? The country is trillions of dollars in debt. We are a laughing stock around the world and most of it's due to your guy, Obama. Things are going to get a lot worse come the first of the year. I don't know many families that can incorporate a tax increase of this magnitude in their budget. Oh and then they get to add in the massive increases in health care. Prove me wrong!

You don't believe any of this is going to happen, you think the article I posted is full of misleading statements? So... show me what you are reading, this is a conversation, convince me that I'm wrong. Show the data that you are basing your decisions and your discussion on. Tell me what have you seen that leads you to think that this country will be better off after Jan 1. I'd really like to know. Once you provide that we can have a real conversation.

Lisa
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Re: new taxes effective 1 Jan 10

PostBy: jeromemsn On: Sun Sep 05, 2010 2:04 pm

I don't know about everybody else, but I guess the Bush Administration would be the one to blame for all the insurance hikes that I have had to pay the last 8 years, guess I'm the only one that had any increases in there health insurance while President Bush was in office. And talk about hikes, sheesh, oh man. The reason insurance is so expensive is because, drugs are not cheap, to keep you alive after all you have done to your body all these years is just a tragedy, lawyers cost money too.
Now until people get a grip and just die of natural causes, well it's going to get a lot more expensive.
But I'm voting for you Lowfog01. I think you have a keen sense of what is needed to run this country and to get rid of and what to keep. Yep you got my vote. How many others will stand with me, vote with me..............Lowfog01 all the way to the White House!!!!!
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Re: new taxes effective 1 Jan 10

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Sun Sep 05, 2010 3:29 pm

jeromemsn wrote:I don't know about everybody else, but I guess the Bush Administration would be the one to blame for all the insurance hikes that I have had to pay the last 8 years, guess I'm the only one that had any increases in there health insurance while President Bush was in office.


Gee Jeromne, nothing I've said should have you convinced I'm a Bush lover or that I'm even a Republican. I'm neither. I've said many times that Bush was a problem, that TARP should never have been started and that Republicans screwed things up when they had their last chance in office. That's history, not much we can do about that now. For the record, I'm seriously concerned about how the Republicans will govern after the NOV elections.

What we have now is Obama, someone who promised that things would be different, that he would have the most transparent government ever. He promised that everyone in the country would have health insurance and that the prices would come down. He raised the national debt by trillions in just 18 months. Bush never came anywhere near to where Obama is now. Now we are facing the largest tax increase ever and what does he want to do about it? Implement financial and tax policies that harm our small businesses, those companies that employee 2 out of 3 individuals. Get the Cap and Trade (or tax) bill passed? Oh, yeah, causing everyone's "energy bills to necessarily skyrocket" is going to be real good for the economy and the country.

I've been reading a new book. It's David Limbuagh's "Crimes Against Liberty." I think it's a must read for every American. It's well documented and the information presented can be found in a variety of sources; that's how you know it's true. I'm going to say to you what I said to Sam. If you are so convinced that the facts now flooding the internet and even the Main Stream Media are wrong; show me the data you have. Forget about Bush and the past - what is it you are reading or hearing now that has convinced you that things will get better after Jan 1? Who or where are you getting your information from? Believe it or not, I'd really like to be wrong about this. Please show me I'm wrong. Lisa
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Re: new taxes effective 1 Jan 10

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Sep 05, 2010 4:55 pm

I don`t know Lisa, I went to PoliticalFact check.com & they had nothing like what that site you have up said, they even had a link to Obama`s proposed 2011 budget. True if your in the higher brakets then temporary tax cuts might just expire, I`m not in that bracket so I didn`t evjoy that tax cut. I do think that sooner or later there will be hikes, there have to be. Not to pick on anyone but I`m pretty sure that these last two wars & all that goes with it were the first wars that were paid for by credit & that could be a large part of the present problem, just MO I could be wrong. I don`t agree with everything Obama or for that matter any other has done but I also don`t agree to blame someone for things not done. I would love nothing better than being able to say everything will be fixed by the end of this or even the next few years but it ain`t gonna happen.
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Re: new taxes effective 1 Jan 10

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Sun Sep 05, 2010 5:48 pm

samhill wrote: I would love nothing better than being able to say everything will be fixed by the end of this or even the next few years but it ain`t gonna happen.


This one thing you and I can agree on. It took many years and many administrations for us to get in the mess we are in. We, the people, share some of the blame, too. The question is can we stop it in motion and get back on the right track. Can we even agree on what is the right track? That's why I'm concerned over the NOV election. The Republicans don't have a good track record on cutting spending or fiscal responsibility and if they don't hold true to their campaign promises we are screwed. The time is quickly approaching that we will be at the point of no return and then what. We do live in interesting times. Lisa
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Re: new taxes effective 1 Jan 10

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Sep 05, 2010 6:59 pm

samhill wrote:Once again Lisa, please check out the snopes site or any other of this type of site of your chooseing. It seems that so many want this admistration to fail that they are more than willing to accept any rumors as fact without even checking.


Who snopes Snopes?
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Re: new taxes effective 1 Jan 10

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Sep 05, 2010 7:02 pm

jeromemsn wrote:I don't know about everybody else, but I guess the Bush Administration would be the one to blame for all the insurance hikes that I have had to pay the last 8 years, guess I'm the only one that had any increases in there health insurance while President Bush was in office. And talk about hikes, sheesh, oh man. The reason insurance is so expensive is because, drugs are not cheap, to keep you alive after all you have done to your body all these years is just a tragedy, lawyers cost money too.
Now until people get a grip and just die of natural causes, well it's going to get a lot more expensive.
But I'm voting for you Lowfog01. I think you have a keen sense of what is needed to run this country and to get rid of and what to keep. Yep you got my vote. How many others will stand with me, vote with me..............Lowfog01 all the way to the White House!!!!!


The reason that health insurance is so expensive is the government, yes, the same government that claims to make insurance "affordable", has made it LEGAL for insurance companies to collude and fix prices nationally.

Every other type of insurance you can think of is available nationally. EXCEPT health insurance.

Why is that I wonder? Answer it for yourself. Nothing I can say will convince anyone.
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Re: new taxes effective 1 Jan 10

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Sep 05, 2010 7:15 pm

Come on Lisa you don`t actually believe that a politician would ever go back on a promise do you? The problem I see is there are no potenial candidates coming from the private sector, or at least any already in politics that haven`t already sold their souls. Here in Pa. for Gov. we have it seems a choice of two, Corbet that is the Att. Gen. & before that held some other positions & I believe he is a retired cop, I don`t like him at all. Then theres Oranado, a very smart man, so smart he thinks out of the box. Instead of just increasing a tax he can come up with taxing things that no politician befofe him has even thought of, I like him even less. Too bad they can`t share the office & cancel one another out, with either one of them I don`t see anything good for Pa. Then again I guess they are better than tollgate Ed, at least there will be a short learning period of learning the rules of corruption & how & to who it gets spread around.
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Re: new taxes effective 1 Jan 10

PostBy: jeromemsn On: Sun Sep 05, 2010 10:14 pm

I'm just a person that is a registered Republican and a person that voted for President Obama so I know nobody cares what time of day I say it is. But I tell ya if the folks that have so much that there swimming in champagne are worried about what a guy does with the last nickle he has till the next pay day don't let up on the poor then there really will be a fight on and it's going to get ugly too.

For one thing, If there are more folks that are sick than are healthy because health care is to expensive who will be taking care of the rich?
Who are going to bury all the dead poor people, you think a rich guy or gal is going to dig a grave for a poor person.
The rich are going to box themselves into a corner that no amount of money will dig them out.

Oh sure I bet you think something like that would never happen, well I tell ya I never thought we would bomb the hell out of a country without a just cause, but we did (So did Germany. And I hate to say it but to me we look a lot like Germany)
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Re: new taxes effective 1 Jan 10

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Sep 06, 2010 7:59 am

To my knowlege (which is limited) Iraq is the first country the U.S. attacked without cause, one can argue about the WMD but we now know that was all made up & besides others have weapons & we don`t bomb them.
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Re: new taxes effective 1 Jan 10

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Sep 06, 2010 8:39 am

jeromemsn wrote:I don't know about everybody else, but I guess the Bush Administration would be the one to blame for all the insurance hikes that I have had to pay the last 8 years, guess I'm the only one that had any increases in there health insurance while President Bush was in office.


We could go all the way back to Clinton if you want when the raise in rates really started. The problem with this HC legislation is that it will not help your rates. They will continue to rise just as they are. The CBO says you'll be paying the same with or without the legislation. HHS says you might be paying more. This legislation has a lot of benefits but doesn't address the root cause of the problem which is the cost. Those "benefits" will be paid for through either higher premiums, new taxes or both.
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Re: new taxes effective 1 Jan 10

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Mon Sep 06, 2010 1:02 pm

Richard S. wrote:
jeromemsn wrote:I don't know about everybody else, but I guess the Bush Administration would be the one to blame for all the insurance hikes that I have had to pay the last 8 years, guess I'm the only one that had any increases in there health insurance while President Bush was in office.


We could go all the way back to Clinton if you want when the raise in rates really started. The problem with this HC legislation is that it will not help your rates. They will continue to rise just as they are. The CBO says you'll be paying the same with or without the legislation. HHS says you might be paying more. This legislation has a lot of benefits but doesn't address the root cause of the problem which is the cost. Those "benefits" will be paid for through either higher premiums, new taxes or both.


Yep, well said. Lisa
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