AHS-130 Flapper Problem

Re: AHS-130 Flapper Problem

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Sat Oct 11, 2014 1:10 pm

When the fire was started, did you fill the firetube half full of ash first before making the fire?
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Re: AHS-130 Flapper Problem

PostBy: jmmazzy On: Sat Oct 11, 2014 1:55 pm

coaledsweat yes tried that. This boiler has been running since 2008. I'll be starting up next weekend. drawing .08 draft fron flapper peep hole now.
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Stove/Furnace Make: alternate heating system
Stove/Furnace Model: s-130

Re: AHS-130 Flapper Problem

PostBy: jmmazzy On: Mon Oct 20, 2014 5:09 pm

IT WORKSSSSSS. she's cooking and cooking good. I know I should get a little more out of her. Will try tweeking the fan next cleaning (Jan). But for right now I'll take the wait and see approach. Next summer will put the torch to it and square every thing off, right now the fan is not square with the heat shield which should inprove performance but that pot is glowing, seen it on my stoker but never never seen that before on the sons. Pics tomorrow.

Mazzy
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Stove/Furnace Make: alternate heating system
Stove/Furnace Model: s-130

Re: AHS-130 Flapper Problem

PostBy: McGiever On: Mon Oct 20, 2014 6:02 pm

Good for you!

Don't you hate it when (AHS) QC takes a day off?
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Stoker Coal Boiler: AXEMAN-ANDERSON 130 "1959"
Coal Size/Type: PEA / ANTHRACITE
Other Heating: Ground Source Heat Pump
Stove/Furnace Make: Hydro Heat /Mega Tek

Re: AHS-130 Flapper Problem

PostBy: jmmazzy On: Mon Oct 20, 2014 6:56 pm

McGiever

Ya QC was definely not there. When I ordered the 2 boilers in spring of 2008 there was a big demand for stokers and long delays to get one ( the regulars on this board surley remember that). When I received the boilers in sept of 2008 I noticed that they were built a week apart ( boilers were tagged) I found this unusal as they were ordered at the same time. Maybe I got the new hires on the second one. They say never buy a new car that was made on a Monday.

Mazzy
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Stove/Furnace Make: alternate heating system
Stove/Furnace Model: s-130

Re: AHS-130 Flapper Problem

PostBy: jmmazzy On: Mon Oct 27, 2014 3:46 pm

It"s been kind of warm since I fired up but this is a 5 min. burn with a long ideal down time. Flapper door is slapping shut pretty good now but could be a little better but I can feel a pretty good suction now when I try to open it. The second pic. I threw in is an add on I thought some of you stoker guys might like. Small nipple off the flue is to clean the cyclone funnel. The aquastate is for summer as I switch over to oil for DHW. When ever there is a call for DHW and the state is calling (set on 100.) my circ.for the coal boiler starts and keeps here nice and comfortable, no humidity. Don't need that light bulb trick. Works great. That sheet rock down in the lower left, Never leave a beagle alone in your garage.
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Stove/Furnace Make: alternate heating system
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Re: AHS-130 Flapper Problem

PostBy: cabinover On: Mon Oct 27, 2014 5:53 pm

I was thinking you were referring to the inner tube when you said it was not cut straight. Now I see what you mean. Glad to hear this works for your son. He'll be very happy with his new heat.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Hybrid Axeman Anderson 130
Baseburners & Antiques: Sparkle #12
Coal Size/Type: Pea, Buckwheat, Nut
Other Heating: LP Hot air. WA TX for coal use.

Re: AHS-130 Flapper Problem

PostBy: Rob R. On: Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:40 pm

It would be interesting to hear what AHS has to say about their mistake.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93
Coal Size/Type: Lehigh Rice
Other Heating: Dad's 1953 EFM Highboy

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Re: AHS-130 Flapper Problem

PostBy: lsayre On: Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:47 pm

Rob R. wrote:It would be interesting to hear what AHS has to say about their mistake.


Perhaps I'm shallow, but I still don't understand the exact nature of the mistake.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
Coal Size/Type: Blaschak Anthracite Pea
Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (13.5 KW)

Re: AHS-130 Flapper Problem

PostBy: Rob R. On: Mon Oct 27, 2014 8:03 pm

Looks like they cut the face for the fan housing about an inch off square.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
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Coal Size/Type: Lehigh Rice
Other Heating: Dad's 1953 EFM Highboy

Re: AHS-130 Flapper Problem

PostBy: jmmazzy On: Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:04 pm

Rob R. it is exactly 1/2" and it makes a huge difference. Cabinetover kind of gave me the idea with his shim theory or I would have put a torch to it then. (see pic. of fan assembly).
Isayre, that 12" pipe that extends out to receive the fan assembly was cut crooked and the fan was not square with the antratube and the swirl chamber, I'm not a fan guy but I would say it was creating some kind of a turbulence. I think I got that right. As for AHS I don't think they are interested otherwise they would have responded, made many calls back then. I'll save the rest of that for later, but if they read this post I'm sure there doing some testing in there shop if they don't already know.
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Stove/Furnace Make: alternate heating system
Stove/Furnace Model: s-130

Re: AHS-130 Flapper Problem

PostBy: McGiever On: Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:06 pm

lsayre wrote:
Rob R. wrote:It would be interesting to hear what AHS has to say about their mistake.


Perhaps I'm shallow, but I still don't understand the exact nature of the mistake.


See *jmmazzy's* pictures above for Saturday Oct. 11
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Stoker Coal Boiler: AXEMAN-ANDERSON 130 "1959"
Coal Size/Type: PEA / ANTHRACITE
Other Heating: Ground Source Heat Pump
Stove/Furnace Make: Hydro Heat /Mega Tek

Re: AHS-130 Flapper Problem

PostBy: lsayre On: Tue Oct 28, 2014 12:06 am

Ah, I see it now. The swirl chamber tubes outer edge which accepts the fans heat shield plate protrudes out about 1/2" more at the bottom than at the top. This is a blatantly gross defect that should never have been allowed to get past inspection. Was AHS made aware of this defect while the boiler was still under warranty? I see now where AHS is offering a 20 year warranty (which did not exist back when you and I purchased ours). It seems to me that since they monitor this as their factory forum, they should offer to make this right even though it is beyond warranty, if for no other reason than to show good faith. If I'm not mistaken I believe that this thread was not originally posted into the AHS forum section, and rather it was just recently moved there, but someone at AHS who is monitoring this forum must have fallen upon it by now.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
Coal Size/Type: Blaschak Anthracite Pea
Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (13.5 KW)

Re: AHS-130 Flapper Problem

PostBy: jmmazzy On: Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:27 pm

Isayre, defect you got that right. The workmanship was definitely not there, QC, what QC ? (check out pic.) and the two boilers are the same, a square box on top of a square box, how can you not get that right. If I done that on the job I'd be fired in a heartbeat. I know my post was listed elsewere and AHS was not monitoring there forum at that time but I called Jeff many times and the problem was always on my end. Even tried to get him down here with no avail. It was Jeff's recommendation to increase the pully size. After that I could no longer reach him (doesn't that sound familial). On top of that the 4th heating season the blower motor died from this stupid thing running constantly. I'll eventually fix this $7,500 you know what now that I know whats wrong, and its on there end, so much for there warranty. I'll keep up dating as time goes on.

Mazzy
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Re: AHS-130 Flapper Problem

PostBy: McGiever On: Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:32 pm

Is that the temperature probe location on an AHS Coal Gun in that picture?
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Stoker Coal Boiler: AXEMAN-ANDERSON 130 "1959"
Coal Size/Type: PEA / ANTHRACITE
Other Heating: Ground Source Heat Pump
Stove/Furnace Make: Hydro Heat /Mega Tek

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