Argo Control interfaced to Keystoker KA-6

Argo Control interfaced to Keystoker KA-6

PostBy: fasthondacr250 On: Fri Nov 05, 2010 10:46 am

Wanted to see what all you experenced boiler electricians think of this interface between the Argo and Keystoker boiler.

I am running 5 zones including indirect hot water heat, using the garage as a dump.

I will have to get some pictures posted soon things are really coming together - new coal boiler intall in my new house. Hope to be nice and toasty this winter.

Now for a snowmelt system :lol:

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Stove/Furnace Make: Keystoker
Stove/Furnace Model: KA-6 Direct Vent

Re: Argo Control interfaced to Keystoker KA-6

PostBy: fasthondacr250 On: Fri Nov 05, 2010 12:00 pm

The drawing is not working...let me try again.
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Re: Argo Control interfaced to Keystoker KA-6

PostBy: fasthondacr250 On: Sun Nov 07, 2010 9:29 am

Any suggestions :?:
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Stove/Furnace Make: Keystoker
Stove/Furnace Model: KA-6 Direct Vent


Re: Argo Control interfaced to Keystoker KA-6

PostBy: Sting On: Sun Nov 07, 2010 9:47 am

The circulator wired to C1 and C2 on the boiler will stop when B1 and B2 are closed - only closed when B1 and B2 are open-

Is that not working for you or whats the problem that you are looking to surmount?
Sting
 
Other Heating: OBSO Lennox Pulse "Air Scorcher" burning NG

Re: Argo Control interfaced to Keystoker KA-6

PostBy: AA130FIREMAN On: Sun Nov 07, 2010 10:26 am

I go ZC on the relay to ZC on the triple aq. ZR on the relay to ZR on the triple aq. The isolated switch on the relay is left open with out the jumper. No wires going to the tt on the triple aquastat unless you want to add a 5th zone to that, then the circulator would be on C1 C2. You could run your main circulator hot off line ZR. This is the way taco recomended to me on the phone, that is different than the 2 diagrams they have in the instructions. This way the circulators run from the low limit and above, and stop below. The boiler fires 10 below the high limit and stops at the high limit. If you use the cold start I believe the boiler doesn't fire until the low limit and will work longer to catch up.
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Stove/Furnace Make: axeman anderson
Stove/Furnace Model: 130 anthratube

Re: Argo Control interfaced to Keystoker KA-6

PostBy: AA130FIREMAN On: Sun Nov 07, 2010 10:39 am

Is your zone 4 the priority zone ? Taco uses the last zone as the priority, if so, you have the garage on priority. I would consider NOT useing the priority switch ON unless it doesn't keep up (usually for DHW) if something would fail (pump, thermostat) none of the other zone pumps would run.
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Stove/Furnace Make: axeman anderson
Stove/Furnace Model: 130 anthratube

Re: Argo Control interfaced to Keystoker KA-6

PostBy: Sting On: Sun Nov 07, 2010 10:46 am

I always marvel as to WHY folks wire - using C1 and C2 -- because why would you want a circulator to stop taking energy away from a solid flue appliance - when the load is calling for heat.

Ok some have said its for boiler protection and I preach that so its My Fault :? - There are better ways to protect a boiler from condensing temperatures.
Sting
 
Other Heating: OBSO Lennox Pulse "Air Scorcher" burning NG

Re: Argo Control interfaced to Keystoker KA-6

PostBy: AA130FIREMAN On: Sun Nov 07, 2010 11:00 am

Sting wrote:I always marvel as to WHY folks wire - using C1 and C2 -- because why would you want a circulator to stop taking energy away from a solid flue appliance - when the load is calling for heat.

Ok some have said its for boiler protection and I preach that so its My Fault :? - There are better ways to protect a boiler from condensing temperatures.

I didn't realize that the circulators stoped when run off C1 C2 when firing :? Guess ya learn something new each day :D I don't use them in my case but If I'd add another zone I would go another way. It would be nice not to shovel snow :roll: but then again, that's what having KIDS is for. :whip:
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Stove/Furnace Make: axeman anderson
Stove/Furnace Model: 130 anthratube

Re: Argo Control interfaced to Keystoker KA-6

PostBy: AA130FIREMAN On: Sun Nov 07, 2010 11:09 am

fasthondacr250 wrote:
I am running 5 zones including indirect hot water heat,

What thpe of indirect do you have ? I went with the Vaughn stone lined in a 30 gallon. It's recovery was quicker than the 80 gallon electric I have (sleeping well) and I never run out of hot water with the priority turned off and 4 in the family, unless one of the kids flushes :flush: ,hate when that happens :mad:
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Stove/Furnace Model: 130 anthratube

Re: Argo Control interfaced to Keystoker KA-6

PostBy: AA130FIREMAN On: Sun Nov 07, 2010 12:30 pm

Why would the DV motor be wired to the low water cut off ? What is the WMB ?
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Re: Argo Control interfaced to Keystoker KA-6

PostBy: AA130FIREMAN On: Tue Nov 09, 2010 11:31 pm

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Re: Argo Control interfaced to Keystoker KA-6

PostBy: steamup On: Wed Nov 10, 2010 1:54 pm

I don't see any major issues here.

on the triple aquastat, b1-b2 closes on call for heat from TT. C1-c2 closes (starts pump) when boiler reaches low setting on auqastat. B1-b2 opens when high setting on aquastat is reached. C1-C2 will open and close on call for heat from TT.

High limit thermostat forces zone on if boiler gets too hot, and the AGRO control forces TT on.

DV motor should be before Low water cutoff if possible.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman-Anderson AA-130, Keystoker K-6
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: HS Tarm 502 Wood/Coal/Oil
Coal Size/Type: pea, buck, rice

Re: Argo Control interfaced to Keystoker KA-6

PostBy: fasthondacr250 On: Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:51 pm

This wiring setup has worked pretty well last winter but has one flaw:

The zone circulators will run while the main circulator is off / system is not up to temp.

Though of using C1 and C2 to power up L and N on the Argo, but this would not work b/c it creates a no power loop.

I guess I could provide NO relay contacts for the zone circulators with the coil of the relay tied to C1 and C2 but there has to be an easier way?

Any Ideas?

BTW: Here are some pictures of my setup

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Re: Argo Control interfaced to Keystoker KA-6

PostBy: steamup On: Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:06 pm

fasthondacr250 wrote:This wiring setup has worked pretty well last winter but has one flaw:

The zone circulators will run while the main circulator is off / system is not up to temp.
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Is this really a problem? Why not let the circulators run while the system comes up to temp. This will result in slower expansion of the piping and less likely for noise to occur.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman-Anderson AA-130, Keystoker K-6
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: HS Tarm 502 Wood/Coal/Oil
Coal Size/Type: pea, buck, rice

Re: Argo Control interfaced to Keystoker KA-6

PostBy: fasthondacr250 On: Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:14 am

Just thought it was a waste of electricity running the zone pumps without system up to temp and circ off, good point about expansion and squeeking pipes.
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Stove/Furnace Make: Keystoker
Stove/Furnace Model: KA-6 Direct Vent