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Korea

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Nov 26, 2010 7:50 pm

Just wondering what everybody thinks is going to happen in the Koreas, its getting to the point where either one or the other has got to back down or go for it. If it gets worse will it be a short skirmish or will it go into a war?
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Re: Korea

PostBy: SMITTY On: Fri Nov 26, 2010 8:01 pm

I haven't been watching the news lately - gets sickening, & I need to take a break every so often.

But, this could very well be the spark that ignites the world. Definitely has that potential. I'll stay tuned ...
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Re: Korea

PostBy: jim d On: Fri Nov 26, 2010 8:06 pm

if when china comes in to aid n. korea and we kick their ass will that get rid of our dept to them$$$???
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Re: Korea

PostBy: Dann757 On: Fri Nov 26, 2010 8:07 pm

Hey man. I don't know. I saw a really good documentary on North Korea a while ago, they let some reporter in to get some film. Apparently they made everything look real good at the school the reporter visited. I think they have a hive mentality and they're taught that the leader is god, etc. One woman escaped and couldn't believe there is an abundance of food in south Korea. They're brainwashed big time. I heard they have a one million soldier standing army and twice the arms that South Korea has. I also heard they rattle their sword from time to time to extort money from,,,, Hillary Clinton I guess. Obama is much too busy playing street basketball to do anything about it. What do you think MacArthur would do??

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Re: Korea

PostBy: hophead On: Fri Nov 26, 2010 9:01 pm

I think it's time time to tell them put up or shut up when then they threaten war. They'll be fighting with 70's era equipment and half of that won't operate for lack of maintenance and spare parts. Time to tell them and China where to go. We're going to have at it with China sooner or later anyway over oil. Should have finished it in the 50s.
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Re: Korea

PostBy: rockwood On: Fri Nov 26, 2010 9:21 pm

Dann757 wrote:I saw a really good documentary on North Korea a while ago

I saw that too. IIRC the average height and weight of the people in the north is shorter/smaller compared to the south due to oppression, starvation etc.
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Re: Korea

PostBy: jeromemsn On: Fri Nov 26, 2010 9:28 pm

China will deal with this on there own. China has way to much to loose right now.

One thing to think about before ya jump on that high horse of American pride. We and several other nations are "selling debt". China on the other hand is "buying debt", lots of friends get made when you buy there debt.

Now I don't know about you but I think a war with a country that out numbers us the way China does is a very stupid move.

I hope that if we do make such a stupid move that it's after Me and my Family all passes away from a good long life.

By the way, do you really think we would have a coalition of forces against China............not on your life.
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Re: Korea

PostBy: hophead On: Fri Nov 26, 2010 9:43 pm

The number of people doesn't really matter if the right weapons are used. Just like McArther wanted to use. If you think it's not going to happen in our or our childrens lifetime you need to educate yourself on the workings of the world. I wouldn't like to see it either but the sooner the better while we're still on top.
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Re: Korea

PostBy: SMITTY On: Fri Nov 26, 2010 10:16 pm

Ever see a 5' tall guy kick the crap out of 8 guys at once that are all twice his size?

Well, the USA is that guy .... only we're 6'6", 275 lbs. ;)
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Re: Korea

PostBy: Yanche On: Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:19 am

Stop the macho BS. This is serious stuff. You have a country with nuclear weapons led by a repressive irrational perhaps mentally unstable leader. Their missile technology has been sold to our enemies. Spook them in any way and who knows what they will do. Attack is out of the question. North Korea has overwhelming artillery in place pointed at South Korea. If the South pisses them off they fire their artillery and kill hundreds of thousands in the south. We piss them off and they sell a nuclear device to our terrorist enemies. Notice I said nuclear device, not just technology. It's one thing to have a covert enrichment program like Iran does, but it's far more dangerous when a country has actually perfected the weapon. A design they bought from Pakistan. China doesn't want North Korea to fail because there would be a flood of refugees from North Korea to China. It's a serious, serious problem with no good solution.

It's like that drunk mentally disturbed relative with a gun. Only this one has a nuclear bomb and no way to quickly overpower him. The best hope would be a revolution from within the country.
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Re: Korea

PostBy: dll On: Sat Nov 27, 2010 4:03 am

From a usually correct source at: http://www.jerrypournelle.com/view/2010/Q4/view650.html#Wednesday, scroll down to the last comment of the day.

A quick note on the Korean situation: from everything I can tell, this has more to do with events internal to North Korea than anything else. I do not expect any long lasting implications. The United States is not going to send in Task Force Smith, or attempt to roll back the frontier the north edge of the DMZ, or do anything that will look like actual punishment of North Korea. Whatever formal messages we send to China, the informal communication will be "We understand your problem but you have to keep your dog leashed more securely." Administration policy makers will probably add "Anything we can do to help?", and the result will be a bribe of one kind or another, precisely to whom is not clear. China has its own goals, and their client state is expensive and distracting. On the other hand, North Korea is a client state, and would be paying tribute if they had any tribute to pay, and Korea as a client state of the Empire is part of the Chinese picture of a long term future. They eventually intend for Korea to be united and become a tributary client, with South Korea taking care of the poverty of North Korea, and ending the mass refugee pressure from North Korea. If anyone in Mexico has an incentive to migrate northwards, think now about North Koreans.

We'll get past this "crisis" without much cost, thus delaying having to decide just what is the US goal in Asia now that Russia is not Communist, and Communist China is not Marxist. Perhaps that is better put off until we have a Presidential team more familiar with foreign policy and diplomatic history. Sometimes the best thing to do with a small crisis is to damp it out and wait for better policy makers
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Re: Korea

PostBy: hophead On: Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:04 am

And your solution is what? If they were stood up to before they had their nukes we wouldn't be tiptoeing now. IMHO the longer the wait the worse it will get. Maybe we should chug off to Mamby Pamby Land and get some self confidence.
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Re: Korea

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:09 am

Agreed! maybe bin laden has become friends with kim jong on face book or somethin and is giving him the thorn to stick in our side.... ;)
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Re: Korea

PostBy: jeromemsn On: Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:12 pm

dll wrote:From a usually correct source at: http://www.jerrypournelle.com/view/2010/Q4/view650.html#Wednesday, scroll down to the last comment of the day.

A quick note on the Korean situation: from everything I can tell, this has more to do with events internal to North Korea than anything else. I do not expect any long lasting implications. The United States is not going to send in Task Force Smith, or attempt to roll back the frontier the north edge of the DMZ, or do anything that will look like actual punishment of North Korea. Whatever formal messages we send to China, the informal communication will be "We understand your problem but you have to keep your dog leashed more securely." Administration policy makers will probably add "Anything we can do to help?", and the result will be a bribe of one kind or another, precisely to whom is not clear. China has its own goals, and their client state is expensive and distracting. On the other hand, North Korea is a client state, and would be paying tribute if they had any tribute to pay, and Korea as a client state of the Empire is part of the Chinese picture of a long term future. They eventually intend for Korea to be united and become a tributary client, with South Korea taking care of the poverty of North Korea, and ending the mass refugee pressure from North Korea. If anyone in Mexico has an incentive to migrate northwards, think now about North Koreans.

We'll get past this "crisis" without much cost, thus delaying having to decide just what is the US goal in Asia now that Russia is not Communist, and Communist China is not Marxist. Perhaps that is better put off until we have a Presidential team more familiar with foreign policy and diplomatic history. Sometimes the best thing to do with a small crisis is to damp it out and wait for better policy makers


What gives us the right to even be policy makers????? We are not other nations mother. The world did not deem us "World Policy Makers". As Far as I can see we are the same kind/type of people as the rest of the world. We have the same problems as the rest of the world as in, hunger, disease, homeless, jobs, oh and one more thing we excel at........."Debt" that has brought the rest of the world to it's knees.

Yep we are good for the world now are we not!

We should leave others alone and take care of our own!
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Re: Korea

PostBy: jeromemsn On: Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:20 pm

Now, all kidding aside and lets forget about the current conflict between the North and South.

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My caption would read.............conservation/excess from a distance.
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