Heat pump water heater

Re: Heat pump water heater

PostBy: EarthWindandFire On: Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:42 pm

I think the GE heat pump water heater is a great idea.

Except, when it breaks who's gonna fix it!

At least I can fix my natural-gas or oil-fired water heater myself.
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Re: Heat pump water heater

PostBy: dave brode On: Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:55 pm

EarthWindandFire wrote:I think the GE heat pump water heater is a great idea.

Except, when it breaks who's gonna fix it!

At least I can fix my natural-gas or oil-fired water heater myself.


Mark,

You have a point. I ASSume that since they are really just a heat pump with a water to air heat exchanger, any good HVAC guy could work on them. However, if the tank on the intergrated units fails, can a replacement tank be bought cheaply?

Fwiw, the Geyser appeals to me for several reasons. Better warranty, made here [not so with at least some of the others] - see links to others I posted. Plus, the Geyser can be remotely placed, and used with any normal $300 elec or $xxx? gas tank, which can still operate if/when needed. I'm-a-gittin' me one this summer. [Wife just doesn't know it yet LOL]

Dave
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Re: Heat pump water heater

PostBy: Gforks On: Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:57 pm

Well not everybody fixes there own appliances, or should. I try to. But things are becoming more technical all the time. It's not a question of not being "handy". On the other hand things are not being made to be repaired. Besides I bought the eleven year parts and labor service contract for $80.

traderfjp, I had it backward the recovery was a little worse. First hour recovery for the HPWH was 63gal, for the old LP was 67 gal. I would guess that is on it's fastest mode, resistance heat, in heat pump mode probably much worse. For me even straight electric would be cheaper right now than the LP right now.
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Re: Heat pump water heater

PostBy: dave brode On: Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:55 pm

Fwiw,

A friend and fellow tradesman replaced his 50 gal elec with a 50 gallon AO Smith heatpump type. He said that his elec bill went down by a significant amount, but I don't have a number. Assuming the 35% that they claim.

"To trade" cost [contractor price] was $1K, rebates from the State of Maryland and the elec company = $650, so final cost was $350.

He did say that the cooling and dehumidification while the unit runs doesn't amount to much, as it doesn't run all that much.

Dave
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Re: Heat pump water heater

PostBy: Sting On: Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:59 pm

Sting
 
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Re: Heat pump water heater

PostBy: Freddy On: Mon Jan 27, 2014 5:27 pm

I got a GE hybrid two summers ago. I alllllmost bought the Nyle unit. I really wanted to as they are built 5 miles from me. But....gosh.... the Nyle unit has a 12 month warranty & the GE has a 10 year warranty. I wish I could have kept my money in town, but the GE is built in the USA so I was OK with that.
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Re: Heat pump water heater

PostBy: Sting On: Tue Jan 28, 2014 8:12 am

All the people I meet - say I appear younger than I am

Maybe its due to the fact that I read at a Third Grade level

But In my world - I would only save 150.00 bucks a year with a GE Hybrid vs my closed combustion chambered NG fired tank

:?: :?:

I suppose there is some pay back there but maybe a little longer than I want
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Re: Heat pump water heater

PostBy: dave brode On: Tue Jan 28, 2014 1:22 pm

Sting,

If only there was a NG line running past my house, I probably would not be burning coal, let alone looking at these HP water heaters.

My desire to justify the cost is getting easier, due to the rebates. Even though my boiler heats DHW 6 months a year, surely the HP would pay for itself in a few years.

Dave
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Re: Heat pump water heater

PostBy: IH8JEEP On: Sun Feb 09, 2014 3:59 pm

I put in a Ge 50 gal. unit back in middle August. Paid $999 at Lowes it was on sale. Put the extra 10 year guarantee for around $100 bucks(no brainer). Got a couple gator connecters so I didn't even have to solder. Total was around $1000 with the fed.rebate of $300 at tax time. Called my electric company cause I have a control box on my water heater from them and wanted to know if I can use it. They said yes but I wouldn't need it anymore but I get a $5.00 a month discount with it now so I'm gonna keep it unless I had problems. The electric guy said you will see a $30.00 min. on your bill. My basement is 24x56 block wall with a French drain. Basement was all ways damp and musty. My plans are to make basement into more usably space. Well after 5 months all I can say is WOW!!!!GREAT!!SUPER!!!!!My bill went down $40 to $70 a month. The basement is not musty or damp anymore. I run the heater on heat pump only at 140(I think that is the highest setting). Never ran out of water yet. There is 5 of us,2 teenage girls, and a teen age boy. I take a shower every morning and my one daughter right after and have never ran out of hot water. Kids even run hot water in shower to heat bathroom(when I'm not round). One nice feature that I used was we had a family emergency come up and all 5 of needed back to back showers. I went down to the heater and switched it to high demand and we all had hot water(all had about 10 min showers). I then switched it back to heat pump only. Some people think this heater has to be in a heated or hot room. Well my basement has been in the low to mid 40F for months. YES I SAID MID 40F. My coal stove is on the ground floor. I'm really hoping to use the cool 70f temp this summer and open basement door to help with cooling. The air before was way to humid. This heater will pay for itself in the first year. I hate to say it I was going to hook up a coal stove and a holding tank. I really don't think it would be any cheaper after adding up ALL THE COSTS.
Bottom line go buy one get the guarantee for ten years. After the first year the unit has paid for itself. So even if I have to replace the unit every few years(I hope I don't have) I would still do it that's how much I'm saving.
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Re: Heat pump water heater

PostBy: McGiever On: Sun Feb 09, 2014 4:29 pm

Just seen our local HD is now stocking Rheem HP DHW heaters now.
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Re: Heat pump water heater

PostBy: rberq On: Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:33 pm

IH8JEEP wrote:I put in a Ge 50 gal. unit back in middle August… My bill went down $40 to $70 a month ... my basement has been in the low to mid 40F for months. YES I SAID MID 40F.

Hmmmm.... I had given up the idea of a heat pump water heater because my basement is in the mid to upper 30s for several months and the mid 40s for several more. But you have given me hope. I will look into it again. Thanks for posting. :)
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Re: Heat pump water heater

PostBy: IH8JEEP On: Sat Feb 22, 2014 3:31 pm

rberq wrote:
IH8JEEP wrote:I put in a Ge 50 gal. unit back in middle August… My bill went down $40 to $70 a month ... my basement has been in the low to mid 40F for months. YES I SAID MID 40F.

Hmmmm.... I had given up the idea of a heat pump water heater because my basement is in the mid to upper 30s for several months and the mid 40s for several more. But you have given me hope. I will look into it again. Thanks for posting. :)


The water heater will switch from heat pump to reg. heating then back to heat pump if the outside temp gets to cold. Even if its to cold for a couple months a year the saving and and free cooling and dehumidified air the rest of the year is WAY worth it.

pm me if you need any info
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Re: Heat pump water heater

PostBy: Sting On: Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:52 am

As i continue to insulate and tighten up - keeping humidity in the dwelling is less and less an issue

I am considering installing a whole house dehumidifier [ and or an outdoor/in air exchanger] to my air scorcher system

but haven' t figured out sizing and air back flow
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