Wow...$375 a ton?!!!??europachris wrote: And I'm paying $375/ton for bagged Blaschak. ]
I paid $312 for 2400 pounds.
brckwlt wrote:Hello to you Hambden bob
I just looked at an old bill from Ugi from early 2009 and my price to compare was .98 cents per ccf. Now it is roughly .65 cents a ccf. And those prices don't include distribution charges and there other charges they nail you for.
Either way for me coal is still cheaper. A lot cheaper. Whith the old 2009 price I was saving roughly 2500 a year. So unless ng goes down to about .40 cents a ccf I'll stick with coal.
But like bob said by then everyone and their brother will be using ng and the price will sky rocket again.
There is One thin I don't understand before I told Ugi to take a hike in October of 2009 they were going to raise their rates about 10 to 15 percent for the next years heating season.
Has there been a ng revolution ?
Anthracite Coal at 240 a ton = Natural Gas at 1.05 per therm at 100.000 BTU PER Therm at 85% Efficiencyleowis1 wrote:Hello--I've been burning coal for 5yrs now. I installed my efm520 stoker the summer after katrina. My house is hooked up for dual fuel; natural gas and coal. I heated with gas in November because it was too warm for coal. Looking at my gas bill it appears that I'm paying $1.10 per CCF. My coal supplier raised their prices and by the time the coal gets delivered into my basement I'm paying $236.5 per ton. Doing the math to convert coal btus to natural gas, I am paying .89 cents per CCF. Or I'm saving .19 per CCF. That's about $400 per year.
I'm not sure if that's worth it? I think I used to save around $1000 per year. Please tell me that I'm doing my math wrong. Is anybody else thinking about going back to natural gas? Thanks.
Leo
Good points. I'm still burning $165.00 per ton coal from my TT load a couple years ago. I'll be burning it next year and part of the following year. I like being "locked in" for the cost of my heating for a 5 year period. Also I like having my fuel already here and not having to come through a pipe. Natural gas has always been a very reliable fuel but that can change. Ask all the hotels and resorts in Florida how well their natural gas standby generators worked after Andrew. No we're not likley to have a devastating hurricaine but tornadoes, earth quakes, acts of terrorism/sabotage could always occur. I always keep lots of extra beer on hand also.markviii wrote:Leo, have you considered buying a TT load to improve your cost per ton?
Do you notice any differences in comfort by running the EFM vs. the NG? My dad would run his EFM even if it was the same cost as fuel oil because he likes the quiet operation, the unlimited hot water, and the warm basement. He also met some nice people in Coal Country and likes to support the area.
-Rob
That's exactly the reason I'm doing what I'm doing, Bob! I was feeling a little loose in the rear end after my 1" copper plumbing purchase yesterday and as I was driving home I thought to myself how I'll be the one laughing when NG goes through the roof someday. It's a limited resource like oil - it's just not as limited (or controlled by OPEC) as oil right NOW - but someday......Hambden Bob wrote:Well,we knew this was coming. In doing the math,you're right,Chris,at this time Natural Blackmail Gas is extremely cheap. And that's the hook,or should I say,REHOOK. Get everyone back on board with gas at home,conduct a rub and suck fest with the EPA using gas to generate electricity and then lets run our buses,cars and trucks on it. Beautiful...Absolutely Green Party Beautiful ! But wait,like that old mule skinner Freetown Fred said...there's the law of supply and demand. Suddenly,I'm sorry,but we're running a little short this year on our gas inventories. Speculators show up at the futures market and bang,you're right back at the reason you rediscovered coal in the first place. I know I can't store a heating season's worth of Natural gas on my property. I sure as hell can with coal. Price spikes,quality issues,and budget issues solved. By the way,nice clean set-up,Chris. And,hello Brockmeister !
Yeah, it just went up, again. Actually, I think it was up this high when gas/diesel prices went wacko two years ago, but came back down. Now it's going up again because why? Yep, diesel is way up again, and we are way far from NEPA.av8r wrote:Wow...$375 a ton?!!!??europachris wrote: And I'm paying $375/ton for bagged Blaschak. ]
I paid $312 for 2400 pounds.
With NG, do you know the price for the next months bill beforehand? If not, you know they will raise the price during winter as the demand goes up. How do you protect yourself? In your case, keep a couple tons of coal on hand so you can switch between depending on cost.leowis1 wrote:I heated with gas in November because it was too warm for coal. Looking at my gas bill it appears that I'm paying $1.10 per CCF. My coal supplier raised their prices and by the time the coal gets delivered into my basement I'm paying $236.5 per ton. Doing the math to convert coal btus to natural gas, I am paying .89 cents per CCF. Or I'm saving .19 per CCF. That's about $400 per year.