110 combustion blower ????

110 combustion blower ????

PostBy: Bity454 On: Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:02 pm

:punk: :punk: Anyone know if the combustion blower on the poccono 110 is the same bolt pattern as the pionner 90??? Would like to give my pionner a little more juice. :blowup: :blowup:
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Re: 110 combustion blower ????

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Wed Dec 22, 2010 6:51 pm

Bity454 wrote::punk: :punk: Anyone know if the combustion blower on the poccono 110 is the same bolt pattern as the pionner 90??? Would like to give my pionner a little more juice. :blowup: :blowup:




I do,I do .I know :)
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Re: 110 combustion blower ????

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Wed Dec 22, 2010 6:54 pm

No they are not the same bolt pattern . No it would not be recommended to put it on a pioneer . Too much overfire air for the size of the stove . The 45cfm should be plenty for the 90k grate . Is there something that you are missing like a dirty blower wheel or excessive fines under the grate ? Dave
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Re: 110 combustion blower ????

PostBy: WNY On: Wed Dec 22, 2010 8:05 pm

Putting more air can cause problems, it will burn too hot, clinker together, etc...I tried it when I had a blower go bad, and put another one on it, it was WAY too much CFM. Yes, it will burn hotter, but could cause problems. They design them for optimum burning. YOu can probalby put a larger CFM and put a rheostat on it to adjust it to get the optimum burn.? :)

also, if you don';t have enough draft to pull the extra pressure out of the stove, you can CO leak too.
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Re: 110 combustion blower ????

PostBy: Uglysquirrel On: Wed Dec 22, 2010 8:25 pm

Flyer, does the 110 have more holes in the lower end of the grate or is that a TRADE secret?
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Re: 110 combustion blower ????

PostBy: Bity454 On: Thu Dec 23, 2010 11:52 am

Hi flyer, first let me say i absolutly love my pioneer stove. As a manufacturer i am shur to get your UL ratings you cant make a hot rod just like the auto maeket and the EPA. That said i am just comparing my alaska 85000 btu burn to the ll 90000 btu burn, the alaska grates have the back row and two side rows sized at 3/16 and the flame coming off the the grate is over a foot high and deffinatly producing more heat. So i drilled my pioneer grate 5/32 back 2 rows, and 2 side rows, wow huge difference using the coal trol like a rheostat my max before was at 50, now i get more heat at setting of 35. Flame is only about 6 inches tall and not very agressive, the air from the alaska has all kinds of little red jumpers flying of the grate from the extra air flow with no signs of clinkers or overfiring. Hence my search for a little more cfm's. Just because a car comes from the factory at 250 horsepower doesnt mean with the right add ons ut cant create 500 horespower!!!
Bottom line, if i can get the same amount of heat at a lower feed rate that saves me $$$$$ :idea:
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Alaska 140 dual paddle
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Re: 110 combustion blower ????

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:08 pm

Uglysquirrel wrote:Flyer, does the 110 have more holes in the lower end of the grate or is that a TRADE secret?




Larger grate and feeder also more holes drilled .Higher CFM blower .Shhhh ! Don't tell anyone . :D
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Re: 110 combustion blower ????

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:10 pm

Bity454 wrote:Hi flyer, first let me say i absolutly love my pioneer stove. As a manufacturer i am shur to get your UL ratings you cant make a hot rod just like the auto maeket and the EPA. That said i am just comparing my alaska 85000 btu burn to the ll 90000 btu burn, the alaska grates have the back row and two side rows sized at 3/16 and the flame coming off the the grate is over a foot high and deffinatly producing more heat. So i drilled my pioneer grate 5/32 back 2 rows, and 2 side rows, wow huge difference using the coal trol like a rheostat my max before was at 50, now i get more heat at setting of 35. Flame is only about 6 inches tall and not very agressive, the air from the alaska has all kinds of little red jumpers flying of the grate from the extra air flow with no signs of clinkers or overfiring. Hence my search for a little more cfm's. Just because a car comes from the factory at 250 horsepower doesnt mean with the right add ons ut cant create 500 horespower!!!
Bottom line, if i can get the same amount of heat at a lower feed rate that saves me $$$$$ :idea:



Not saying it can't be done just that I have no testing that confirms that it helps . And that I can't recommend it .
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Re: 110 combustion blower ????

PostBy: Uglysquirrel On: Thu Dec 23, 2010 10:48 pm

The concept of increased hole size is certainly a intriguing discussion though a lb of coal is a lb of coal with a lb of coal has the same heat content regardless of the hole size. As the hole size increases the delta p between the stoker plenum and stove pressure in general terms is less for the same CFM unless the fan is choked in the OEM config. I'm not sure what the implications of this is though I'll offer that if you increase the airflow into the stove interior proper it does inhibit the stove's ability to maintain a negative pressure if the OEM config was choked.

Second, increasing the airflow thru the holes creates a faster combustion where the coal releases it's energy faster turning into ash at a faster rate , so I can see where a 35 (larger hole) feed rate is somewhat equivalent to a OEM 50, though I'm of some thought that the physical length of hot coals will be less with larger holes vs a OEM config, I agree that the flame could be higher but the flame would likely be locally higher, not higher throughout the length of the cast iron grate. There are several other long term implications to larger holes, for example if the larger hole create a higher temp, there can be unique stresses created in the cast iron grate which could cause increased cracking potential between holes. Another issue is that if you increase the hole size at the top and maintain the same cfm, the bottom holes have a better long term chance of getting clogged with ash . Plus having a higher temp closer to the top of the grate likely increases the gearbox temp.

Be interesting to see if that (longer) blue flame wicking at the top of a Pioneer stove top increases the sheet metal significantly, can you see any heat distress if you look inside at the top ? This may not play a part in a Pocono since the top is ~10" higher than a Pioneer.

Your question made me thiink about the holes and changing the holes. Thanks!!
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Re: 110 combustion blower ????

PostBy: jpen1 On: Fri Dec 24, 2010 3:01 pm

The 3/16" holes in the Alaska grate are absolutely not stock size. Alaska drills all grate holes at 9/64" at every position in the grate. I have access to both a Leisure pioneer and a Alaska channing III and the pioneer will out perform the channing all day long. The channing has a problem getting air to outside of the grate producing unburnt coal to the outside edges of the grate. Plus the channing stock fan is only 35 cfm 10 less than the pioneer. :?
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Re: 110 combustion blower ????

PostBy: Bity454 On: Fri Dec 24, 2010 6:34 pm

Sorry not a channing III comparing one grate on a alaska 140 dual paddle rated at 85000 btu each. And once agakn i am not nocking leisure line i love my pioneer, just trying to get as much heat out of my coal as is possible.
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Re: 110 combustion blower ????

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Fri Dec 24, 2010 10:47 pm

Bity454 wrote:Sorry not a channing III comparing one grate on a alaska 140 dual paddle rated at 85000 btu each. And once agakn i am not nocking leisure line i love my pioneer, just trying to get as much heat out of my coal as is possible.


As long as all your coal is being burnt you are getting as much heat as possible from the coal .
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Re: 110 combustion blower ????

PostBy: Johnshan On: Mon Dec 27, 2010 12:17 pm

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Re: 110 combustion blower ????

PostBy: jpen1 On: Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:21 pm

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Re: 110 combustion blower ????

PostBy: Uglysquirrel On: Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:57 pm

Gleason Avery !!!

I learned something.
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