Things you shouldn't feed your Dog

Things you shouldn't feed your Dog

PostBy: Richard S. On: Thu Dec 23, 2010 3:04 am

I mentioned to someone my dog loves grapes and they said they were toxic to dogs. Doing a little reserch it appears they are right and there is another thing listed you wouldn't suspect, onions and garlic.

http://hubpages.com/hub/10-Things-Not-t ... Dog-Health

Granted there is no brainers on there like tobacco, things you wouldn't feed them and they list chocolate too but that is more in the large quantity category. Just figured I give a heads up on the grapes and onions.

Onions-onions, garlic or anything from the onion family contain sulfoxides and disulfides known to damage red blood cells and cause anemia. Raw onions can cause liver damage. Cats are more susceptible than dogs. Avoid onion (or garlic) powder as ingredients in any food you are feeding your dog or cat - this includes dog and cat food.


Raisins - grapes and raisins can cause kidney failure - just a few raisins can kill a dog.


Longer list here including avocados and macadamia nuts:

http://pets.webmd.com/dogs/ss/slideshow ... -never-eat
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Re: Things you shouldn't feed your Dog

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Thu Dec 23, 2010 7:26 am

Thanks, Richard. I knew about onions but there are other items listed I didn't know about.
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Re: Things you shouldn't feed your Dog

PostBy: 009to090 On: Thu Dec 23, 2010 8:23 am

Hard to believe this article... Our Vet told us to give our dog powered garlic in his food, to kill off the bad bacteria in his gut. Says we can give it to him all the time. :shock:
Probably written by the same numb-nuts that says butter and coffee are bad for us. :D
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Re: Things you shouldn't feed your Dog

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:02 am

I have found garlic listed in the ingredients on dog food, and a recipe I have for dog treats also lists garlic.
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Re: Things you shouldn't feed your Dog

PostBy: freetown fred On: Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:08 am

A company--SpringTime--makes supplements for critters& people(all organic) I've given our 2 labs one that has garlic in it to keep fleas down & in 9 yrs,rarely see a flea around them--maybe this is why they are both crazy & act like puppies all the time :lol: of course,I still eat real butter & beleive if you "can't beleive it's not butter",you're an idiot ;) I also drink off the farm milk,eat home butchered meat & eggs out of the hen house--maybe that's all what the hell's wrong with me toothy :clap: Have a Merry Christmas all & remember--take everything you read with a grain of salt--sea salt of course :rofl:
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Re: Things you shouldn't feed your Dog

PostBy: 009to090 On: Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:25 am

freetown fred wrote:I still eat real butter & beleive if you "can't beleive it's not butter",you're an idiot ;) I also drink off the farm milk,eat home butchered meat & eggs out of the hen house--maybe that's all what the hell's wrong with me toothy :clap:


YEP! We have been eating these "Nasty" farm-grown food sources all of our lives. e still have the old milk can to get FRESH milk. DAMN theres nuttin better than a tall cool glass of that milk with a bunch of Snickerdoodles made with REAL butter :up: :up:
Fresh sausage, Scrapple, pork, beef. Yummy!
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Re: Things you shouldn't feed your Dog

PostBy: freetown fred On: Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:29 am

Ahh Chris,you would have to mention Scrapple--every time I get down around Hatfield,Pa--I stock up--most of the kids I talk to have never tried it--best response from them is YUUUUUCK :lol:
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Re: Things you shouldn't feed your Dog

PostBy: coalkirk On: Thu Dec 23, 2010 4:36 pm

My oldest son has a new dog...a chocolate lab rescue. He's a very nice dog but he is a counter surfer. Last Sunday they were here visiting and the dog grabbed a half a stick of butter off of the counter and swallowed it so fast it was like a blur.

I saw chicken skin was on the do not feed list. I thought I had read before that it was actually good for dogs coats. ??
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Re: Things you shouldn't feed your Dog

PostBy: Dann757 On: Thu Dec 23, 2010 4:55 pm

I'd like to see a few raisins kill a dog, just don't believe it. I just enjoy other people's dogs. My friend's black lab Blackjack is a great dog. Just don't go swimming with him, his automatic front paddles will gouge the skin off your chest, I know.
I read about Ho'Oponopono, a Hawaiian healing philosophy. It says in part it's what you think about the food you eat more than what they say about it.

so... "Eat right, stay fit, and die anyway."

My unimaginably obnoxious ex-sister-in-law became a vegan Nazi after reading The China Study, written by a guy that says animal protein is the cause of all cancer. Quite a few people have debunked this extensive research with lots of statistics. On top of that she could never cook in the first place. The kind of gal that invites you over for dinner, then makes you set the table.
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Re: Things you shouldn't feed your Dog

PostBy: Richard S. On: Thu Dec 23, 2010 5:03 pm

DVC500 at last wrote:Hard to believe this article... Our Vet told us to give our dog powered garlic in his food, to kill off the bad bacteria in his gut. Says we can give it to him all the time. :shock:
Probably written by the same numb-nuts that says butter and coffee are bad for us. :D


They list the reasons WHY these things are bad and the grapes and onions are listed because of toxic agents to dogs, liver failure, anemia etc. These aren't your dog is going to get fat problems. It's not just one article that lists them. I've looked and found both on any list I've looked at, I haven't found one that says they are full of *censored* either. I'm not going to stop feeding the dog chicken skin or other things but when "toxic" enters the picture I'm not taking the chance. I'm pretty sure the dog will do fine without grapes, besides she likes chicken skin more. :D
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Re: Things you shouldn't feed your Dog

PostBy: rberq On: Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:02 pm

Richard S. wrote:It's not just one article that lists them. I've looked and found both on any list I've looked at, I haven't found one that says they are full of *censored* either.

Not to make light of this -- I'm sure some of these substances ARE toxic to pets, and better safe than sorry. However, my theory is that one person writes this stuff down, then the next person who wants to write a magazine article reads the first one and copies the list and adds something of his own. Then the next writer reads both of the first two articles and copies the list, the next writer reads all three earlier articles, and so on and so on, until "everybody" knows it is true.

Back about 1934 when electricity was new in many houses, somebody wrote that toasters were the biggest cause of house fires. It was not true then, it is not true now, but my wife still reminds me of it every time I neglect to unplug the toaster. :o
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Re: Things you shouldn't feed your Dog

PostBy: Richard S. On: Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:12 pm

rberq wrote:[
Not to make light of this -- I'm sure some of these substances ARE toxic to pets, and better safe than sorry. However, my theory is that one person writes this stuff down, then the next person who wants to write a magazine article reads the first one and copies the list and adds something of his own. Then the next writer reads both of the first two articles and copies the list, the next writer reads all three earlier articles, and so on and so on, until "everybody" knows it is true.


I was thinking that myself but I really haven't read anything that says otherwise. I'm going to ask the vet next time and see if I can get clear answer. I won't be looking for yes or no, I'll want the "why". ;)
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Re: Things you shouldn't feed your Dog

PostBy: Richard S. On: Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:27 pm

Here's what the ASPCA has to say:

I’ve heard that grapes and raisins are poisonous to dogs. Yes or no?
- Sheila C.

Yes, Sheila. At the current time, we know that grapes and raisins appear to cause renal failure in dogs who’ve ingested large amounts. However, we have not determined with certainty the toxic component, or the exact mechanism that causes renal failure. It is also not clear if only certain dogs are affected, or if long-term ingestions can lead to the same effects that a large one-time ingestion can. Because there are still many unknowns regarding the toxic potential of grapes and raisins, it is advisable not to give grapes or raisins to dogs in any amount.



I understand that garlic is poisonous for dogs, but why is it often an ingredient in dog treats?
- Michelle S.

Good question, Michelle. Garlic does have toxic potential to pets, and is generally more potent than onion, also a member of the Allium species, in causing changes in red blood cells in dogs and cats. This is true in raw, cooked or powdered forms. In theory, "deodorized" garlic is allegedly less toxic, since the disulfides, responsible for both the odor and the toxicity, are usually largely removed.

Even at low levels of exposure to garlic, some change in red blood cells is likely; it is typically only when a significant number of red blood cells are altered that their oxygen-carrying capacity is noticeably compromised and clinical signs develop. Generally, it takes either a fairly large single ingestion or chronic exposure. These effects are also somewhat more likely to be seen in cats, as their red blood cells have shorter life spans and they're more likely to have bone marrow issues. However, the possibility exists that some dogs may also be genetically more susceptible to problems from garlic ingestions.

The lowest observed effect level in dogs in the scientific literature that we are aware of is 2.5 mg/kg of encapsulated garlic powder; slow heart rates and increased urination were seen. For comparison, a 20-pound dog consuming 1000 mg of garlic powder is exposed to a dose of 110 mg/kg.

The bottom line, Michelle, is that we do not definitively know at what dose any given dog may experience problems. An occasional low dose, such as those found in most commercial pet foods or treats, would not likely cause problems. A conservative approach might be to avoid exposure to more concentrated garlic-based products.



Thgere's big list of different foods here: http://www.aspca.org/pet-care/ask-the-e ... foods.aspx


I looked through some of them and most listed mild issues. Popcorn for example was a choking hazard. I would think blockages would be an issue too if you fed them too much popcorn? My dog eats it, great food for "catch"
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Re: Things you shouldn't feed your Dog

PostBy: freetown fred On: Thu Dec 23, 2010 10:38 pm

I hate to say this,but,asking the SPCA is like asking a tree hugger if antracite coal is good for the environment---they probably don't have a clue,but will spout what ever is the popular belief in thier circle at the time----I know that's an extreme But------ I sure hope poinsetta was listed--my female lab got into one & her face blew up like a balloon :lol:
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Re: Things you shouldn't feed your Dog

PostBy: Richard S. On: Fri Dec 24, 2010 2:29 am

freetown fred wrote:I hate to say this,but,asking the SPCA is like asking a tree hugger if antracite coal is good for the environment--


It's not like grapes and garlic are controversial foods. Is there a "Save the Grapes" foundation driving this? :P

It's understood Freddy they are a bit fringe hence the reason I checked out some of the other things on the list. Most of the responses seemed reasonable enough. They aren't suggesting meat or even grease will poison your dog.

I've looked to find something that would indicate the grapes and garlic thing is a hoax but everywhere I look I find same thing.
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