$5 gas by 2012 ?

Re: $5 gas by 2012 ?

PostBy: tom69z On: Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:23 pm

Kevin is kept in the dark by the controlled media to their liking.... he probably also believes that this country is actually run by the president. HHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA...
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Re: $5 gas by 2012 ?

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:14 pm

No wonder gas is going to hit $5 dollars by the summer. Isn't this like shooting yourself in the foot? Lisa

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/03 ... -drilling/
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Re: $5 gas by 2012 ?

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Mar 24, 2011 1:26 am

KLook wrote: Free market after all.


Not even remotely close. :)
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Re: $5 gas by 2012 ?

PostBy: KLook On: Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:09 pm

Tom, you sound just like the nut that thinks the Free Mason's run the world. which plays nicely into jpetes denial of a free market causing prices to rise on all commodities. You can argue all day about what you think is true, it is still opinion based on something someone else told you in some form of media. It is the reason this thread is 46 pages long after all. My dads better then your dad. Etc.

Kevin
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Re: $5 gas by 2012 ?

PostBy: Dann757 On: Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:54 pm

KLook wrote:Tom, you sound just like the nut that thinks the Free Mason's run the world. which plays nicely into jpetes denial of a free market causing prices to rise on all commodities. You can argue all day about what you think is true, it is still opinion based on something someone else told you in some form of media. It is the reason this thread is 46 pages long after all. My dads better then your dad. Etc.

Kevin



HAHAHAHAH good one. :D I've said a lot of nasty things here and I better regain my composure. Hold on a second, there's a Freemason at the front door. Wait wait Nooooooo they're taking me away to a dungeon under The Smithsonian...... :o
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Re: $5 gas by 2012 ?

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:14 pm

The price of gas doesn`t go down just because it`s domestic oil, the price goes by the world market, if a U.S. producer can get a better price do you really think they are going to sell to the U.S. & lose money? http://www.wgrz.com/news/article/114311 ... Gas-Prices
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Re: $5 gas by 2012 ?

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:34 pm

KLook wrote:Tom, you sound just like the nut that thinks the Free Mason's run the world. which plays nicely into jpetes denial of a free market causing prices to rise on all commodities. You can argue all day about what you think is true, it is still opinion based on something someone else told you in some form of media. It is the reason this thread is 46 pages long after all. My dads better then your dad. Etc.

Kevin


We don't have a free market. You've never seen a free market. I've never seen a free market.

Everything is priced in dollars and as long as the Fed prints money ad infinitum, they will constantly manipulate the market. As long as the government has its thumb on the scale, there is no free market.
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Re: $5 gas by 2012 ?

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:24 pm

The bigger question becomes who owns U.S. oil reserves? http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2011/03/2 ... il-fields/
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Re: $5 gas by 2012 ?

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:42 pm

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Re: $5 gas by 2012 ?

PostBy: tom69z On: Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:10 pm


http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/donald-trump-birther-obama/2011/03/24/id/390681
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.


since this thread has turned into politican talk, here is a link of some nice reading... :eek2:
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Re: $5 gas by 2012 ?

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Sat Apr 02, 2011 7:58 am

Blackrocks wrote:Lisa,to answer your question please research these cases: Meyers v. U>S.272 U.S.52 from 1926 or Freytag v.Commissioner 501 U.S. 868 from 1991 or Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co.v. Sawyer 343 U.S. 579 I could go on but i wont .You will see that he not only has the power, but the obligation not to defend a law he feels is unconstitutional until the matter is decided in a court of law.That is the law under the Constitution that you know so well. BTW Tom Jefferson was the first to refuse to defend a law (Sedition)



This post is in direct response to Blackrocks. It is not intended to reopen this thread or to begin a thread on the Constitutionality of the Defense of Marriage Act.

So... I finally found some time to do a little research and I'm not going to retract my stand that as the Chief Law Enforcement Officer the President has the duty to enforce all laws duly passed by the Congress and signed by the President; even those he personally feels are unconstitutional or personally doesn't agree with. His feelings don't count for very much. Oh and just for the record I'm not embarrassed by my position on this.

That being said I understand that there is precedent for the President choosing not to enforce laws that he feels are unconstitutional. That doesn't make it right; the President doesn't have the authority to decide a law is unconstitutional. That's up to the courts and until such time as they make a ruling, he should be enforcing the law. If he feels it is unconstitutional let him fight that question in the courts. I'm not a constitutional scholar but I can read and think. I know the Constitution is the foundation for which our rule of law is based. I know that no one is above the law, not even the President

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/27/weeki ... .html?_r=1


http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/doj/olc110294.html (this is a white paper prepared for the President's counsel providing guidance for NOT enforcing laws the President feels are unconstitutional.)

The one recurring theme in everything I've read is that only if the President has reasonable belief that the Supreme Court would ultimately agree that the Law was unconstitutional would he have a responsibility to take such a stand. That's why your Jefferson argument doesn't fly. Jefferson knew that the Supreme Court he was dealing with was stacked with his fellow Federalist and without question they would back him that the Alien and Sedition Laws were constitutional. Charges were never even brought against him.

So that brings us to Obama and his non defense of DOMA. Does Obama feel this law would be ultimately overturned by the Supreme Court? What is does he base this opinion on? The current Supreme Court has a majority of conservative Justices and the law was passed overwhelmingly by both houses of Congress in 1996; 85-14 in the Senate and 342 to 67 in the house. That's all documented fact. 37 of the 50 states already have DOMA laws in place. The vocal members of both parties are split about 50/50 on this question. How will the independents vote? I couldn't find where Obama has said what he based his decision on other then his feelings. The White Paper referenced above is quite clear on what the process should be - did Obama cross his Is and dot his Ts? Obviously, I don't think so nor does some of the Democratic leadership.

The fact that Obama sent his DOJ to court, to make an appearance but not to defend the law shows me that Obama isn't so sure of himself on this matter. If he was certain that the law will be found unconstitutional why not just ignore the lower court date and let it go to the Supreme Court sooner rather then later. It looks to me that once again Obama is trying to have his cake and eat it too. He is pandering to a small but very vocal segment of his political base.

So that's my answer. In my opinion, the President always has the duty to enforce any law which has been duly passed by Congress and signed by the President until such a time as it is deemed unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. That remains true even though many Presidents have tried to get around that by simply not enforcing the law and Congress has allowed them to do that. It's wrong and that's how we have arrived at the two tier rule of law we see today.

You don't have to agree with me and I can already hear the snide and snarky remarks about how I know better then the Supreme Court but that's ok. As a matter of fact, I disagree with many of the Supreme Court rulings - Plessy vs Ferguson, which codified the concept of "Separate but Equal," Roe vs Wade and more recently Kelo vs New London to name a few. This is still America - at least a while longer - and it's my right to disagreed with the current administration, Congress or the Supreme Court and even you. And you know what? No one should think my doing so is embarrassing or wrong. Respectfully, Lisa
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Re: $5 gas by 2012 ?

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Sat Apr 02, 2011 8:10 am

that deserves a 110% grade!

well said, hear hear! :)
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Re: $5 gas by 2012 ?

PostBy: tom69z On: Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:25 am

notice how this website really drys up when it gets warmer outside.... it must be the mental conditioning that the change of season brings, the loss of interest in heating costs, and the welcoming of spring. At this moment, I have no interest in heating discussion whatsoever. :wtf:
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Re: $5 gas by 2012 ?

PostBy: tom69z On: Mon Apr 11, 2011 5:10 am

$3.70/gallon for regular here.
$4.20/gallon for diesel.....

anyone with a gas guzzler shouldnt be complaining though. could of bought something more economical
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Re: $5 gas by 2012 ?

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:41 am

We could have never invented the automobile. How about we deal with reality instead?

Some people need trucks. Whether you know it or not, you need a truck. Trucks are the life blood our society. Everything you can touch had a truck involved at some point in it's life.

I suppose we could do like China and have the government limit the number of children we have but as it stands, I have a devil of a time fitting 5 people into a Prius so I'm going to have to stick with the mini van.
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