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ruger1980 · By: **ruger1980** On: Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:24 am

The ISL G can be had with either 300 or 320 hp and 1000 lbs. ft. in the LE model.
The MP7 comes in at 345 hp and 1280 ft. lbs. in the refuse package.
I would call that a significant difference.

tom69z wrote:not sure what trucks run in your area, but a MACK LE that runs on NG has as much Horsepower as one that runs on diesel.

SMITTY wrote:Quite a few of those NG powered trash trucks already rolling the streets of MA. Drivers hate them! Get a load on 'em, and it's 10 mph up hills ... provided you make it long enough without breaking down to actually GET a load on it ....

They've got their work cut out for them. The current diesel fleet is so choked up with failure-prone emission crap they spend more time in the shop than out making money. Welcome to ONA (Obama's New America).

ruger1980 · By: **ruger1980** On: Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:28 am

I would call a refuse truck a truck that handles refuse. That can be in any of the applications of the cycle of waste management. And that is

tom69z wrote:CLASS 8 refuse trucks i was referring to.

ruger1980 wrote:http://www.informinc.org/fact_ggt.php

tom69z wrote:where do you get 72000 class 8 refuse trucks from? the total market in north america is less then 8000 currently. MACK has 68% of that market. The city of NEW YORK will be 60% NG in 2013 in terms of their fleet of class 8 refuse trucks. And if the auto companies were smart, they would have an NG pickup truck ready to go as well.

You might say I am a reliable source in this matter.

the way the industry classifies them.

tom69z · By: **tom69z** On: Fri Oct 07, 2011 4:51 pm

Well, I was talking about class 8 trucks, MACK is #1, with more then 60% of the market and there are very few sold each year. in 2013 NYC will have 60% of their MACK refuse trucks running on NG. Washington DC already has their busses on NG as well.

tom69z · By: **tom69z** On: Fri Oct 07, 2011 4:52 pm

1000 ft lbs or 1280 ft lbs is meaningless when you haul only 20,000 pounds of refuse going no more then 45mph....

ruger1980 wrote:The ISL G can be had with either 300 or 320 hp and 1000 lbs. ft. in the LE model.
The MP7 comes in at 345 hp and 1280 ft. lbs. in the refuse package.
I would call that a significant difference.

tom69z wrote:not sure what trucks run in your area, but a MACK LE that runs on NG has as much Horsepower as one that runs on diesel.

SMITTY wrote:Quite a few of those NG powered trash trucks already rolling the streets of MA. Drivers hate them! Get a load on 'em, and it's 10 mph up hills ... provided you make it long enough without breaking down to actually GET a load on it ....

They've got their work cut out for them. The current diesel fleet is so choked up with failure-prone emission crap they spend more time in the shop than out making money. Welcome to ONA (Obama's New America).

ruger1980 · By: **ruger1980** On: Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:04 pm

Why would you use a class 8 truck to haul 20K net??? With the chassis, packer body and load they are most likely maxing out at 55-60k# by the time they are heading to the transfer station or landfill.

And if you believe 28% more torque will not improve you acceleration in a stop and go application you're fooling yourself.

tom69z · By: **tom69z** On: Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:44 pm

1000ft pounds of torque right off of idle is more then enough. If it wasn't enough, then why is the City of New York converting to 60% NG cummins powered LE trash trucks in 2013 ? Riddle me that please. thanks.

ruger1980 wrote:Why would you use a class 8 truck to haul 20K net??? With the chassis, packer body and load they are most likely maxing out at 55-60k# by the time they are heading to the transfer station or landfill.

And if you believe 28% more torque will not improve you acceleration in a stop and go application you're fooling yourself.

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