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dlj
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by dlj » Fri. Feb. 10, 2017 7:20 pm
Pauliewog wrote:The 161 is a baseburner double heater. It was made in three sizes 141 (14" firepot ),161 (16" firepot) and 181 (18" firepot) It has triangular grates and the coal magazine was optional.
This was a high end Andes stove, thus the cast iron barrel.
Paulie
The photos didn't show the double heater portion of what normally those stoves would have. The photos weren't the best to see it, but there was one that it should have been visible in. Makes me wonder what the stove actually had. If it was big enough, might have been a 181 - that one didn't have the double heater. Hard to tell what the size was. It also looked like a much more late model from the ones shown on the first page of this thread, so without actually looking at the stove, can't really say... In the 1920's they easily may have down-graded all the bell and whistles from the early 1900's catalog... Without pictures of the back, can't even be sure it's a base heater. Probably is though...
dj
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by Pauliewog » Fri. Feb. 10, 2017 8:17 pm
dlj wrote:
The photos didn't show the double heater portion of what normally those stoves would have. The photos weren't the best to see it, but there was one that it should have been visible in. Makes me wonder what the stove actually had. If it was big enough, might have been a 181 - that one didn't have the double heater. Hard to tell what the size was. It also looked like a much more late model from the ones shown on the first page of this thread, so without actually looking at the stove, can't really say... In the 1920's they easily may have down-graded all the bell and whistles from the early 1900's catalog... Without pictures of the back, can't even be sure it's a base heater. Probably is though...
dj
It gets confusing at times especially when from year to year the manufacturer makes small modifications . I find it especially true when the finial style changes.
The information I have is from 1902 so it is possible the double heater was not standard on the later models.
Note the statement on the top left side of the catalog page. A Base Burning Oak Stove.
Paulie
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by Hillbilly » Fri. Feb. 10, 2017 9:07 pm
If you look at the castings on both stoves you'll notice one has smooth castings and the other more ornate. If anything like the Germer stoves the smooth castings came later. The stove could be a 181 or 161 I'll post pics when I pick it up. Bought with out inspecting but hey this is a oakvale andes baseheater. Thanks Tony
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by McGiever » Fri. Feb. 10, 2017 9:19 pm
Hillbilly wrote:If you look at the castings on both stoves you'll notice one has smooth castings and the other more ornate. If anything like the Germer stoves the smooth castings came later. The stove could be a 181 or 161 I'll post pics when I pick it up. Bought with out inspecting but hey this is a oakvale andes baseheater. Thanks Tony
For what it is worth, I think you done good HillBilly
Fastenal will get that to ya for less than gas money.
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by Sunny Boy » Sat. Feb. 11, 2017 9:07 am
It is unusual to see the term "oak" used so much with a base heater when so much of the competition used the terms to mean two different types of stoves.
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by franco b » Sat. Feb. 11, 2017 9:12 am
Sunny Boy wrote:It is unusual to see the term "oak" used so much with a base heater when so much of the competition used the terms to mean two different types of stoves.
Paul
It is my understanding that an "Oak" is still an Oak even with base heating capability added.
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by dlj » Sun. Feb. 12, 2017 11:00 am
franco b wrote:
It is my understanding that an "Oak" is still an Oak even with base heating capability added.
So what makes it an Oak then?
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by franco b » Sun. Feb. 12, 2017 11:37 am
dlj wrote:franco b wrote:
It is my understanding that an "Oak" is still an Oak even with base heating capability added.
So what makes it an Oak then?
dj
The distinctive appearance, of exposed fire pot followed by a drum like heat exchange.
I have no idea how this name came to be, but has been adopted by many makers to describe a stove of that configuration. Additions to that configuration turn it into a base heater as opposed to the older base burner which had interior fire pot and flue gas routed within the confines of the stove to the base.
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by Pauliewog » Sun. Feb. 12, 2017 12:45 pm
franco b wrote:
The distinctive appearance, of exposed fire pot followed by a drum like heat exchange.
I have no idea how this name came to be, but has been adopted by many makers to describe a stove of that configuration. Additions to that configuration turn it into a base heater as opposed to the older base burner which had interior fire pot and flue gas routed within the confines of the stove to the base.
I'm with you Franco but after years of research I still get confused. Why are they referring to this exposed pot stove as a base burner and not a base heater?
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by scalabro » Sun. Feb. 12, 2017 12:48 pm
Looks like it has the same style, external casting hung on the back to route gasses below the ash pan, much like a Glenwood 6/8. A hot-rodded pot belly stove
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by KingCoal » Sun. Feb. 12, 2017 2:53 pm
Pauliewog wrote:franco b wrote:
The distinctive appearance, of exposed fire pot followed by a drum like heat exchange.
I have no idea how this name came to be, but has been adopted by many makers to describe a stove of that configuration. Additions to that configuration turn it into a base heater as opposed to the older base burner which had interior fire pot and flue gas routed within the confines of the stove to the base.
I'm with you Franco but after years of research I still get confused. Why are they referring to this exposed pot stove as a base burner and not a base heater?
Paulie
you guys are of course exactly correct. the specifics of "external " ( base heater )or "internal" ( base burner ) bypass are the deciding factor.
many people haven't realized this and the terms get confused.
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by franco b » Sun. Feb. 12, 2017 3:59 pm
Pauliewog wrote:
I'm with you Franco but after years of research I still get confused. Why are they referring to this exposed pot stove as a base burner and not a base heater?
Paulie
In the literature posted by William it is called a base heater, but in the literature posted by you it is a base burner.
Since the function is similar, I would think either would be close enough.
Back in the day, sometimes the very earliest coal stoves were called base burners because that is how the coal burned, from the base up.