BIG BORE Black Powder More Fun Than Burning Coal?

PC 12-47E · Post by **PC 12-47E** » Thu. Dec. 30, 2010 4:24 pm

The very big bore black powder guns look like lots of fun.

I may have to trade a coal stove for one....

This may be just what we need for black powder deer season.

freetown fred · Post by **freetown fred** » Thu. Dec. 30, 2010 4:49 pm

That would even help some of these kids up here hit the broad side of a barn

looks like a good swap if you got an extra

009to090 · Post by **009to090** » Thu. Dec. 30, 2010 4:50 pm

Nice, but I don't think I would be measuring and pouring Black Powder in the back of my SUV, like she did.

I always did that on a cardboard box I brought along to use as a cheap table, and kept it well away from anything I did not want to burn up.

Duengeon master · Post by **Duengeon master** » Thu. Dec. 30, 2010 5:20 pm

I want one of those for Christmas. But all I got was some coal.

Post by **coaledsweat** » Thu. Dec. 30, 2010 6:28 pm

I have actually looked into this. I believe that is a six pounder, 3.67" bore. The guy that rebuilds trolley/train cars told me he can whip a barrel up out of 4140 for about $2K. Still looking for prints if anyone knows where to get them.

AA130FIREMAN · Post by **AA130FIREMAN** » Thu. Dec. 30, 2010 6:34 pm

coaledsweat wrote:I have actually looked into this. I believe that is a six pounder, 3.67" bore. The guy that rebuilds trolley/train cars told me he can whip a barrel up out of 4140 for about $2K. Still looking for prints if anyone knows where to get them.

Is that price for a smooth bore ? What, if any laws regulate a muzzle loaded firearm for size. I believe a .50 is the limit in some states for a modern firearm. Their is no background check in PA for a muzzleloader(not shure on a cannon)

PC 12-47E · Post by **PC 12-47E** » Thu. Dec. 30, 2010 6:37 pm

coaledsweat wrote:I have actually looked into this. I believe that is a six pounder, 3.67" bore. The guy that rebuilds trolley/train cars told me he can whip a barrel up out of 4140 for about $2K. Still looking for prints if anyone knows where to get them.

Do you think the original barrels were Bronze or Brass??
The steel 4140 is the safe way to go....

Post by **Richard S.** » Thu. Dec. 30, 2010 6:38 pm

Did you see the black powder bag that said Goex? I'm not sure if it's still there but they had a plant near here that blew up when I was a teenager. I remember it because you could feel it and I was about 6 miles from it.

009to090 · Post by **009to090** » Thu. Dec. 30, 2010 6:38 pm

coaledsweat wrote:I have actually looked into this. I believe that is a six pounder, 3.67" bore. The guy that rebuilds trolley/train cars told me he can whip a barrel up out of 4140 for about $2K. Still looking for prints if anyone knows where to get them.

I found alot of info on this site....
http://cannonsuperstore.com

Post by **coaledsweat** » Thu. Dec. 30, 2010 6:57 pm

PC 12-47E wrote:Do you think the original barrels were Bronze or Brass??
The steel 4140 is the safe way to go....

Most were cast bronze, but you can find them in iron, brass and some even in steel. As with anything cast, any of these would have serious issues if it failed. If made of 4140, you could not put enough black powder in it to hurt it.

Post by **coaledsweat** » Thu. Dec. 30, 2010 7:16 pm

AA130FIREMAN wrote:
coaledsweat wrote:I have actually looked into this. I believe that is a six pounder, 3.67" bore. The guy that rebuilds trolley/train cars told me he can whip a barrel up out of 4140 for about $2K. Still looking for prints if anyone knows where to get them.
Is that price for a smooth bore ? What, if any laws regulate a muzzle loaded firearm for size. I believe a .50 is the limit in some states for a modern firearm. Their is no background check in PA for a muzzleloader(not shure on a cannon)

Yes, a finished smooth bore and turned to shape out of new steel. We are trying to find a piece of scrap to do it with first though so I can afford the powder.

IIRC, ATF claims they are toys as the projectile and charge are separate.

PC 12-47E · Post by **PC 12-47E** » Thu. Dec. 30, 2010 7:25 pm

coaledsweat wrote:We are trying to find a piece of scrap to do it with first though so I can afford the powder.

IIRC, ATF claims they are toys as the projectile and charge are separate.

The next time I walk through a Bath Iron Works Scrap Yard I will keep my eyes open for a steel shaft.

You would not believe what I have found in the past.....

Post by **coaledsweat** » Thu. Dec. 30, 2010 7:35 pm

DVC500 at last wrote:I found alot of info on this site.... http://cannonsuperstore.com

They get a lot of money for those old guns. The best price I saw for a decent bronze six pounder was $5000. A brand new cast gun you would pay that for just the barrel. The guy that owns the sawmill said he can supply the timber for the gun carriage. I'm figuring about $3K tops for the whole thing ready to shoot and it will not blow up. The trickiest part of the whole thing is those concave wheels and curved axle.

That barrel weighs about 650#

SMITTY · Post by **SMITTY** » Thu. Dec. 30, 2010 7:40 pm

AA130FIREMAN wrote:.....What, if any laws regulate a muzzle loaded firearm for size. I believe a .50 is the limit in some states for a modern firearm......

I can bet you 10 to 1 that it's probably illegal in MA ...

009to090 · Post by **009to090** » Thu. Dec. 30, 2010 7:43 pm

coaledsweat wrote:The trickiest part of the whole thing is those concave wheels and curved axle.

Yep, they'll test yer carpentry skills

Give them a call. They got alot of connections, and can probably get a set of blueprints for the carriage and the barrel. May cost you a buck or 2, but it'll save you from trying to re-invent the wheel