Guns and kids.

SMITTY wrote:An important detail I did not know about. That changes my stance on this somewhat. Even in 9mm, at full-auto that thing is going to be a bit of a handful for an experienced shooter who has never fired a full-auto weapon before. Not sure I'd hand that to any kid. I was under the impression that this was the same carbine the 11 year old shot ...

SMITTY, I do agree with what you're saying here, but I just want to add the fact that we are talking about A FULLY AUTOMATIC FIREARM!!! Regardless of caliber, regardless of stock/barrel configuration its still a full auto firearm... Even a 22 short rimfire cartridge hurled out of a full auto is going to require support in the hands of an 8 year old, that's if he should ever even be allowed to handle such a piece in the first place... Case closed...

What in the world that kid was doing with that gun in his hand to begin with is simply lacking any measurable amount of reasonable thought on part of the parent or any other responsible party (adult) in direct presence of that child...

Dad was in charge ... no other adult is responsible for a child other than the parent. The problem with all these damn laws we have today is that nobody accepts this fact now. They just want to blame the rest of the world.

Poor judgement or not, it's dad's call.

SMITTY wrote:Dad was in charge ... no other adult is responsible for a child other than the parent. The problem with all these damn laws we have today is that nobody accepts this fact now. They just want to blame the rest of the world.

Poor judgement or not, it's dad's call.

But if an adult, other than the parent were to see a child chase a rolling ball out into traffic I would sure like to think that every one of us would make the attempt to chase that kid down and stop him!!! Someone owned that gun and is responsible for his property and who/how it is to be used... There is another responsible party here that IMO should share equal guilt as the father... And I'm sure they all WILL suffer with the guilt for the rest of their lives...

When I read the very first post I couldn't help but wonder why someone on this forum would post such a riddle... All I could think of as I read this was- 'what color was George Washingtons white horse'... 8 year old with a full-auto firarm, what the hell did they think was going to happen!!! Tragedy due in part to morons... Unfortunatly this world is filled with them, hence the reason why I don't go outside unless I absolutley have to... And when I do, I carry a firearm...

beemerboy wrote:If an eight year old kid asked me if he could drive my motorcycle on the interstate and the father gave permission, am I still liable when he crashes and gets hurt?

I don't think that is a good analogy because we have laws that don't allow the kid to drive a motorcycle, I think a better analogy is you allow him to ride your mountain bike that is obviously too big for him and he loses control and hurts or kills himself. Certainly there isn't going to be any charges filed in a case like that.

Parents allow their children to do dangerous things all the time, shooting weapons is one of them. Eventually someone is going to hurt whether we are talking about UZI's, rifles or mountain bikes that are too big. It's inevitable that you're going to have accidents, this one unfortunately was easily prevented.

The bigger Uzi jammed when the older kid was firing...
Slapped the smaller Uzi in to replace it...
Finished up with the smaller Uzi...
The bigger kid had an issue with the smaller Uzi riding up even after firing the bigger Uzi...
Then the smaller kid got his turn...
Just with the smaller Uzi...
No quality time with the longer gun to feel the rise effect...
So when it began to rise up...
He had no clue what to do...

I take my teenager out with me & he shoots all the guns I do (357 revolver, 9mm pistols, AR15, AK47, Henry 22 level, 35 cal level, shotguns, etc .. all BUT my 50 cal semiauto rifle which has one hell of a kick (you know when you shoot 100 rounds through the next day--maybe I should buy a recoil pad!). I am right by him so if he gets a jam he does not leave the gun or walk around with it .... no problems, just like 99.9999% of gun owners.