INFARED ELECTRIC HEATER QUESTIONS vs COAL

INFARED ELECTRIC HEATER QUESTIONS vs COAL

PostBy: tom69z On: Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:43 pm

Has ANYONE used, owned, or know anyone who has used one of those Eden Pure or AMISH made Electric Infared heater units ? I am wondering how these things really work and if they really do save you money on the heat bills ? I am really wondering just how much juice they require to run. The one claims their unit can heat 1000sqft for like $30/month . I have a very hard time believing that claim. If that was the case, I'd buy two of them and heat the whole house for $60/month...

It would be like heating with coal, only better because there is no dust, no mess and nothing to maintain.

Any comments are appreciated.

thanks
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Re: INFARED ELECTRIC HEATER QUESTIONS vs COAL

PostBy: lsayre On: Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:49 pm

Anything electric sitting this side of a heat pump will heat your home for the exact same cost, regardless of the mega-hype. Electric heat is 100% efficient, regardless of the source (with the sole exception being a very expensive heat pump, with those coming in at at a "claimed" 160% efficiency rating). The Eden Pure is 100% efficient, but so is the $39 electric heater unit sold at a place like Wal-Mart. Both must (not should, but rather must) cost you exactly the same watt for watt, BTU for BTU.
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Re: INFARED ELECTRIC HEATER QUESTIONS vs COAL

PostBy: murphyslaw On: Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:52 pm

I have an Eden pure. It uses two quarts lamps to make heat and a fan to blow air threw the box.

The dang thing can barely keep my bedroom warm. No way I could heat a house with less then 20 of them.

I have 2200sq/ft and my 80k boiler heats just fine as long as it's above -5
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Re: INFARED ELECTRIC HEATER QUESTIONS vs COAL

PostBy: whistlenut On: Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:54 pm

If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is! If you have heard this before, heed what the words mean. Goggle it and see how the rest of the world likes it. :idea: :idea:
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Re: INFARED ELECTRIC HEATER QUESTIONS vs COAL

PostBy: lsayre On: Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:58 pm

Let's assume that your entire house requires a meagre 15,000 BTU's per hour "on average" throughout the winter, and lets call the heating season 6 months.

6 months x 30.7 days/month x 24 hours/day x 15,000 BTu's/hr = 66,312,000 BTU's of required heat

66,312,000 BTU's/ 3.412 = 19,434,935 watts = 19,435 KWH

19,435 KWH x $0.112/KWH = $2,176 to heat your home for one year with electricity

If you can do appreciably better than that with coal, then go with coal.
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Re: INFARED ELECTRIC HEATER QUESTIONS vs COAL

PostBy: tom69z On: Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:59 pm

thanks.
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Re: INFARED ELECTRIC HEATER QUESTIONS vs COAL

PostBy: lsayre On: Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:10 pm

Looking at this with coal at 75% efficiency:

66,312,000 BTU's (required output)/ 0.75 = 88,416,000 BTU's (required input, or what you will need to burn)

88,416,000 BTU's / 25,000,000 BTU's/ton of coal = 3.54 tons of coal

Lets say you are paying a whopping $365 per ton for your anthracite delivered in bags

3.54 tons x $365 = $1,292 (vs. $2,176 for electricity)

Even when paying the highest going prices for coal, and burning it rather on the low side of efficiency, it offers significant annualised savings (year after year) vs. electricity.

Now if you can get your anthracite for $150/tom like those lucky Eastern PA folks, then you are talking real savings.

3.54 tons x $150/ton = $531 for the entire year. At that rate you can afford to be toasty all winter long and burn 4-5 tons.
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Re: INFARED ELECTRIC HEATER QUESTIONS vs COAL

PostBy: titleist1 On: Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:12 pm

My neighbor across the street has one of the ChAmish (Chinese Amish) heaters. The guy in the picture in the advertisement must be 3' tall to make that heater look so big in the newspaper ad! :lol:

He has the ChAmish heater and a fake electric fireplace heater in his bedroom that is about 15 x 15 and has hinted that he wants me to put tyvek or plastic on the bottom of the joists in the crawlspace because it feels cold and drafty in there. Only part of the bedroom (the last 6') has the crawlspace and there is 9" of insulation there, the rest of the room is over his basement. So I'd say they aren't too effective.
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Re: INFARED ELECTRIC HEATER QUESTIONS vs COAL

PostBy: Bratkinson On: Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:22 pm

The claims of the various electric heaters are 100% correct. Your heating bill WILL decrease...no doubt about it...

If you are heating with gas, oil, or coal, propane, or even wood, you will use less of those sources for heat...therefore, the electric heaters WILL reduce your heating bill.

Of course, they are counting on the foolishness and/or general illiteracy of the public not realizing that their electric bill doesn't pay for just the lights. And when it goes zooming through the roof, they'll just figure it's not heating, but lighting that is costing so much!

As P T Barnum proclaimed: "A sucker is born every minute!". So true...so true
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Re: INFARED ELECTRIC HEATER QUESTIONS vs COAL

PostBy: WNY On: Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:33 pm

1500 watts / 120 Volts = 10+ amps. So you are drawing at least 10 amps all the time to heat. You electric bill will go up accordingly. Yes, your gas bill may go down, BUT.....

It depends on your electricity rates, they probably have LOW rates, therefore, the $30/month MIGHT be accurate for a small area. You have to do the math.

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Re: INFARED ELECTRIC HEATER QUESTIONS vs COAL

PostBy: AA130FIREMAN On: Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:53 pm

WNY wrote:Been discussed....1500 watts / 120 Volts = 10+ amps
WATTS= AMPS X VOLTS (1200 watts = 120volts x 10 amps) but who is counting any how :lol:
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Re: INFARED ELECTRIC HEATER QUESTIONS vs COAL

PostBy: WNY On: Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:50 pm

I put 10+, since I did really want to figure it out. Okay, 12.5amps then.
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Re: INFARED ELECTRIC HEATER QUESTIONS vs COAL

PostBy: AA130FIREMAN On: Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:50 pm

WNY wrote:I put 10+, since I did really want to figure it out. Okay, 12.5amps then.

Seing that you had the + there, it can slide by this time :lol:
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Re: INFARED ELECTRIC HEATER QUESTIONS vs COAL

PostBy: Coal Joe On: Tue Jan 11, 2011 8:27 am

Let me answer this in a different way.

The outlets in your house are rated for 15 amps. The most you can plug in is 80 percent of that rating. or 12 amps without having trouble. It is no wonder why all of there heaters all draw about 12 amps. Soooo, 12 amps time 120 volts = 1440 watts. times about 3. times is 4320 something btus. That all you can get out of these (Heaters)
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Re: INFARED ELECTRIC HEATER QUESTIONS vs COAL

PostBy: franco b On: Tue Jan 11, 2011 1:47 pm

Infrared can heat your body directly even though the room temperature might be lower than normally considered comfortable. By moving the heater to the room being used the rest can be left at a lower setting. This is the basis for the claims being made. A radiant stove can also keep a room comfortable feeling at a room temperature lower than what otherwise would be desired.
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