DS Machines Question: Basement #4 and Circulator Stove

 
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Post by WessWackos » Mon. Jan. 17, 2011 4:50 pm

Does anyone care to chime in on the positives and negatives of their DS Machine basement #4 or Circulator stove units?

1. How many sq/feet are you able to heat, and where do you live? (I realize this is relative to the layout of your home, location, air circulation, insulation level, etc).

2. All things being "average"...would either of them be good choices to heat 2500 sq feet (main floor + basement) of a a 40 year old, ranch home?


 
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Post by WNY » Mon. Jan. 17, 2011 5:45 pm

Did you already ask that question and about an LL Stove?

How Many Sq Feet Are You Heating With Your LL Pocono?

 
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Post by WessWackos » Mon. Jan. 17, 2011 7:01 pm

Yes, I did ask that question of the Leisure Line...now I'm asking the same questions concerning the ds machines.

 
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Post by lsayre » Mon. Jan. 17, 2011 7:18 pm

Since they are so different, it is completely valid for you to ask regarding both stoves. I'm in a similar situation, and I'm asking a lot of questions on various stoves and boilers. In my situation, I kind of favor a stove, but my wife definitely prefers the boiler route (so I'm concentrating on boilers at the present). If I had to guess at your situation, my guess would be that the DS will heat a larger home than the LL. Only a guess.

 
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Post by CapeCoaler » Mon. Jan. 17, 2011 7:39 pm

Will it put out enough heat, sure if the house is not a sieve...
The real question is can you circulate the heat well enough in your house...
How did the heat travel with the old stove you had...
About 1900 sq ft including heated uninsulated basement and marginal 1st floor wall insulation...
The basement walls will suck a fair amount of heat...
If they can be insulated do so...
The Basement #4 or the 1600 Circulator will be a step up from your old stove...
It can hold more coal, will run longer, leaks less and put out more heat...
For short money not a bad way to heat the house...
As I said before a stoker boiler wit water to air heat exchangers is the ultimate in heat distribution and comfort...

 
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Post by Paisan » Mon. Jan. 17, 2011 9:00 pm

WessWackos wrote:Does anyone care to chime in on the positives and negatives of their DS Machine basement #4 or Circulator stove units?

1. How many sq/feet are you able to heat, and where do you live? (I realize this is relative to the layout of your home, location, air circulation, insulation level, etc).

2. All things being "average"...would either of them be good choices to heat 2500 sq feet (main floor + basement) of a a 40 year old, ranch home?
My ranch brick house was built in 1940. I live in Ohio near Akron & Canton. My DS is in my basement in the corner. My house has good windows and not so good insulation. The DS heats my house up one side and down the other. Basement runs at 75*ish and top side around 70*-72*ish, back rooms cooler. I have a 16"x20" floor grate above the stove and smaller ones in all bedrooms, called cold air drops. The heat gets around nice. Works for this house.

 
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Post by I'm On Fire » Mon. Jan. 17, 2011 9:25 pm

My DS is in my living room 1600 circulator. It does an amazing job of keeping my drafty poorly insulated 1200 sq. ft. housein the 70's. Have not had the furnace come on once since installing the stove on January 8th.


 
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Post by budster » Tue. Jan. 18, 2011 6:14 am

..my 1700 sq. ft. split level house was built in the late 50s..I'm using the 96,000 BTU DS circulator (don't know the model #) on the bottom floor of three..the house is pretty easy to heat the way it is layed out..I do need some more insulation in the attic..the stove usually runs at 450 to 500* and keeps the average house temp at about 72*..it has barely been above freezing here for the last few weeks..I use about 70# of coal a day..maybe I could do better..I'm a newbie at this..but I'm satisfied so far..house is warmer and the oil furnace hasn't came on yet.. :clap:

 
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Post by WessWackos » Tue. Jan. 18, 2011 8:31 am

CapeCoaler wrote:Will it put out enough heat, sure if the house is not a sieve...
The real question is can you circulate the heat well enough in your house...
How did the heat travel with the old stove you had...
About 1900 sq ft including heated uninsulated basement and marginal 1st floor wall insulation...
The basement walls will suck a fair amount of heat...
If they can be insulated do so...
The Basement #4 or the 1600 Circulator will be a step up from your old stove...
It can hold more coal, will run longer, leaks less and put out more heat...
For short money not a bad way to heat the house...
As I said before a stoker boiler wit water to air heat exchangers is the ultimate in heat distribution and comfort...
The house isn't a sieve...but the air gets around by going up the stairwell and by radiating through the floor. The only time it isn't enough is when it gets near 20. My old stove can only crank when I'm awake and here to tend it. I think I could get by with the #4 due to it putting out more heat.

What is the difference between the #4 and the circulator stove?

 
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Post by WessWackos » Tue. Jan. 18, 2011 8:35 am

Paisan wrote:
WessWackos wrote:Does anyone care to chime in on the positives and negatives of their DS Machine basement #4 or Circulator stove units?

1. How many sq/feet are you able to heat, and where do you live? (I realize this is relative to the layout of your home, location, air circulation, insulation level, etc).

2. All things being "average"...would either of them be good choices to heat 2500 sq feet (main floor + basement) of a a 40 year old, ranch home?
My ranch brick house was built in 1940. I live in Ohio near Akron & Canton. My DS is in my basement in the corner. My house has good windows and not so good insulation. The DS heats my house up one side and down the other. Basement runs at 75*ish and top side around 70*-72*ish, back rooms cooler. I have a 16"x20" floor grate above the stove and smaller ones in all bedrooms, called cold air drops. The heat gets around nice. Works for this house.
Thanks, Paisan. It sounds like my house is newer but with a similar situation. My stove would be in a corner of the 1260 sq foot basement and I would ask it to heat all of that and that amount again upstairs on our main floor.

 
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Post by Coalfire » Tue. Jan. 18, 2011 8:44 am

Differance is looks, and the circulator has tubes in the fire box. The basement #4 does not, the #4 has sheet metal sides for circulation.

Both will work fine in your situation, I am going to say this is probably twice the size of you current stove, I doubt either would even break a sweat, if your current stove can keep up to 20 degrees

 
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Post by Paisan » Tue. Jan. 18, 2011 10:59 am

Coalfire wrote:Differance is looks, and the circulator has tubes in the fire box. The basement #4 does not, the #4 has sheet metal sides for circulation.

Both will work fine in your situation, I am going to say this is probably twice the size of you current stove, I doubt either would even break a sweat, if your current stove can keep up to 20 degrees
I think the #4 has a higher btu, bigger stove. I almost went with the #4 but the circulator looks nicer in my basement. I heard that you can get the #4 painted in any color, stove and sheet metal. The circulator has fake spinners on the front, not sure why they even put those on. But my DS rocks and works good for this family. :D

 
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Post by WessWackos » Tue. Jan. 18, 2011 11:41 am

Another thing that I'm leery of is the amount of noise the twin blowers on the LL Pocono (minimum size stoker I'd purchase (110K) would put out. Your #4 and Circulator stove don't have blowers, correct? It seems that if the air flow I have now is working, I don't really need to worry about having "blowers" to move the air.

What kind of burn times are you guys getting with a filling of your #4 and Circulator stoves? How long can you go without a "shake-down"?

 
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Post by Coalfire » Tue. Jan. 18, 2011 12:08 pm

Paisan wrote:
Coalfire wrote:Differance is looks, and the circulator has tubes in the fire box. The basement #4 does not, the #4 has sheet metal sides for circulation.

Both will work fine in your situation, I am going to say this is probably twice the size of you current stove, I doubt either would even break a sweat, if your current stove can keep up to 20 degrees
I think the #4 has a higher btu, bigger stove. I almost went with the #4 but the circulator looks nicer in my basement. I heard that you can get the #4 painted in any color, stove and sheet metal. The circulator has fake spinners on the front, not sure why they even put those on. But my DS rocks and works good for this family. :D
The 1600 circulator is the same size as the #4. When you bought yours the 1600 was not available to the dealer it was still in it's testing phase. Amos said they test them for a number of years before they release them to the dealers. I got one cause I went right to the factory. I don't know if dealers have udated there websites.

The two stoves do have the same size fire box.

 
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Post by budster » Tue. Jan. 18, 2011 12:11 pm

..I refill and shake mine twice a day..it could go more then that, but that's my schedule..


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