Oil Boiler Leaking Oil--What Are My Options?

 
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Post by Rob R. » Thu. Feb. 03, 2011 1:22 pm

Parts are available for the Riello F5, and they are also available as a complete unit. Any service tech. worth their salt should be able to fix the existing burner (it is probably something simple).

With that said, before you start throwing money at the old burner you should know that a brand new Riello F5 is $330 + tax/shipping online. Naturally you would have to find someone willing to install an internet sourced burner, or do it yourself and have the combustion checked afterwards.

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P.S. I bought my Riello burner from simplyplumbing in 2009 and was very pleased with the service.


 
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Post by steamup » Thu. Feb. 03, 2011 5:46 pm

Scottsman wrote:OK, so here are the pics. As I'm looking at this, there is nothing at all leaking from the boiler, all I see is a little puddle of oil underneath the burner. (The floor overall is still discolored from an oil leak I had last year). So, yeah--why was I even thinking of replacing this boiler?
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The best I can tell, it is leaking from somewhere onto this black part, then dripping onto the floor.
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Silly question, How fast is the leak/drip? Would a simple drip pan emptied when there was an little accumulation get you by for a little while?

 
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Post by Scottsman » Thu. Feb. 03, 2011 11:34 pm

It's leaking about a tablespoon or two every hour. I cleaned up the floor some and put a pan under it. As I look closer, I can see it dripping off that thin little oil tube at the bottom of the burner. Maybe I just need to tighten the little nut that attaches that tube to the bottom. Or maybe it was overtightened and now can't be tightened. I could call the tech out, but then I'd be paying him $75 to fix a problem he may have created to begin with.

 
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Post by Scottsman » Mon. Feb. 07, 2011 7:04 pm

Boy I wish my leak were resolved. Still leaking about a cup of oil a day. Fortunately I have a pan under it. I cleaned it up real good Saturday to figure out exactly where the leak was coming from, and have determined that it is that thin copper tube (think it is called a capillary tube) that connects to the pump. It is dripping right where it connects to the pump. I tried tightening the nut around it, but that doesn't help. It may be stripped. I also tried shutting the power and oil off and putting a bunch of Plumbers Goop around the fitting to seal it. That didn't work either. Probably wasn't dry enough to adhere right, but I didn't want bleed it and then risk messing it up when I tried to run it again. So I finally cried uncle and called a different boiler service place (the one who installed it over 10 years ago), and am waiting for them to come by in a couple of days to take a look. I figure it could either need a new capillary tube and nut or a new pump if the fitting is stripped, or both. Here's my hard to think through issues:

1. I can try to talk to my service and repair guy into just replacing the leaking parts. But the guy who serviced this was talking about replacing the whole burner "cause its old." $750 to fix a little oil leak seems like overkill to me. Can I talk him into just replacing the pump, which I know is only $70 at Simply Plumbing.com? What if he balks and says the part alone will cost him $150, plus labor? I don't mind a plumber charging reasonable markup, but honestly, it feels like a lot of these guys just go to the same supplier year after year instead of getting the same part from a cheaper supplier. I've often been charged double for the same exact part (brand and everything) that they have at the local hardware store).

2. I can replace the whole burner, but will I gain anything? I only burn about 500 gallons of fuel a year. Seems like I'd have to increase a lot in effeciency to justify the cost of replacing a burner that is still being made.

3. If I use the guys who originally installed this boiler-then I'm using the same company that delivers my oil. But I've heard that it's a bad idea to use your oil man to service your boiler, because they don't have any interest in it running efficiently. I know that sounds terrible, because probably 90% of these fuel service places are honest, but how's a guy to know who to trust? :?

My trouble is, I don't think like a HVAC pro. I don't know their perspective. All I know is I don't want to overspend on a little leak. But I don't want to tick them off unnecessarily either. Maybe I'm overthinking this. :?

 
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Post by whistlenut » Mon. Feb. 07, 2011 7:51 pm

If you can get me a serial number, I'll get the parts list and an exploded view so you can track the problem from the schematic. Riello techs are very happy to help solve any issue, and will make recommendations.
I'm pretty sure you have the little hydraulic jack style air shutter. That being said, the fitting may only be part of the issue. It is dinky for sure and does not require 250 ft*lbs of torque, more like 1.5 lbs, but the seals in the 'jack' may be worn, and require replacement. I'll look over the service manual tonight.....

 
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Post by Scottsman » Mon. Feb. 07, 2011 10:00 pm

SN is 95438512100009091 Yes, it has the hydraulic jack (not the newer one). But after I cleaned everything up, there is no oil on the bydraulic jack or the little tube coming from it. As far as I can tell, it is all dripping from the left side from the top of this little tube on the right side where this black nut is.

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Post by whistlenut » Mon. Feb. 07, 2011 10:18 pm

All the old guys prefer the oil jack and not the electric one, but you are in the situation where you wished for the solenoid type too. Back at you in the AM.....


 
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Post by Freddy » Tue. Feb. 08, 2011 7:17 am

You've asked a couple of times if a newer burner, or a different one might be more efficient. No....those dang Riello's squeeze oil until it screams before they burn it. I honestly don't believe there is a more efficient burner made....unless a brand new Riello is tighter fisted than an older model. I'm not familiar with the new Riello's but back when yours was made they were more efficient than anything out there. Consequently, they do require a knowledgeable service tech for setting one up or adjusting after a cleaning. Average Joe boiler man may not know the tricks to get one set up properly. Whistlenut knows....he's above average!

 
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Post by Rob R. » Tue. Feb. 08, 2011 8:04 am

I agree with Freddy, there is not a more efficient burner available. I set mine according to the settings recommended in the manual and it was DEAD ON during the combustion test, no tweaks required. 12% CO2, 0 smoke, and even after having 1500 gallons run through it, the boiler still looked squeaky clean inside.

The pressure gauges required to check/adjust the fuel pressure are not inexpensive, so if you are looking for a new service tech. make sure they have the right equipment. Anyone familiar with the Riello family of burners should be able to locate and install the parts you need. Most likely someone just overtightened that line and stripped the fitting.

 
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Post by katman » Tue. Feb. 08, 2011 8:30 am

Another option yu might want to consider is talking to your oil supplier about covering it under a service contract. Sometimes they will write the contract even though they know there is a problem if the fix is minor. Sounds like you might need a new fuel line--mayber you have a flared connection that was overtightened. I'm usually not a big fan of service contracts but in my area the cost of one service call for a minor repair covers the service contract and I get an annual cleaning, nozzle & filter replacement out of it. The hook is I have to agree to buy my oil from the same company that has the servic e contract. For me, that's not a big issue. I've told them oil is my back up heat and we figured out my average annual consumption. If I need extra they have been competitive in the spot price. the other reason I use the service contract is that way I get someone who knows boilers to do the servicing. At least that is how it has worked out.

 
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Post by whistlenut » Tue. Feb. 08, 2011 8:33 am

We are not telling you to replace the whole boiler, but I chuckle when I mention frugal and the Scots', but the Scotch Marine Design Triple Pass Boilers are the only design to purchase IMO. The vertical pin boilers that are so plentiful get the single vertical pass and then out the chimney.....efficiency of the burner may be 85%, but the boiler package is probably about 58% at best. AFUE is the important thing....even in a coal appliance. We'll get you repaired and then talk about a coal boiler.... Axeman-Anderson makes a Top Tier 3 pass, as does EFM(&TD), New Yorker, Weil McLain and several others. Look over the flue path of a coal boiler or furnace and see the comparisons. Turbulators make a HUGE difference also. We don't hate Carlin or Becket, but they were very slow to copy Riello...like 40 years slow. :shock: :shock: :idea:

 
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Post by SMITTY » Tue. Feb. 08, 2011 8:47 am

If that were my burner, I'd just take the fitting out & load it up with Permatex Ultra Copper RTV sealer & call it a day. Seeing that I burn coal, & have spent a bunch of cash on coal & related accessories, I would be looking for the cheap way out .... but that's just me. :| ;)

 
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Post by crazy4coal » Tue. Feb. 08, 2011 6:23 pm

I have seen the lines overtightend to the piont of cracking or cutting the steel tube inside the nut. replace the line and do not overtighten.

 
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Post by blrman07 » Wed. Feb. 09, 2011 5:18 am

Get someone to replace the line and compression fitting. The picture is fuzzy but it appears to be a copper tube. The steel nut has a tapered steel ferrel inside it. When you tighten a compression fitting the steel ferrel crimps into the softer copper tube. That is what allows it to seal tightly. If you overtighten the fitting, the steel ferrel cuts deeper into the soft copper to the point that it cuts through it.

Replace the compression fitting and the short section of copper tubing. Shouldn't be more than around $75 including the service call charge.

 
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Post by Scottsman » Wed. Feb. 09, 2011 10:27 am

Great advice! Thanks, all. I'm liking the sound of $75 a lot better than $750! :D :D


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