What sort of truck or trailer is required for hauling coal?

Re: What sort of truck or trailer is required for hauling coal?

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:00 am

Larry, did you try reading some of the posts on the Ohio forum, don`t know exactly where you are but they have several posts on places to buy in Ohio.
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Re: What sort of truck or trailer is required for hauling coal?

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:08 am

Yes, I'm aware of several places for anthracite in Ohio, and that is the route that I will likely travel (most likely going with Church's, since they are the closet to me, and they have Reading anthracite at decent prices, plus they deliver for a low nominal set fee), but in a moment of insanity I thought that if I did it myself I could save money.

That said, I'm always open to learn of more places in Ohio, or other alternatives such as co-ops, going in with a few other people to have a full T/L brought in and then divided up, etc...
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Re: What sort of truck or trailer is required for hauling coal?

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:22 am

The only way to really save money is to get a TT load...
Add $40-50 per ton for transport costs...
Do a COOP and have members bring equipment that they own...
You will need a bucket loader for bulk or a fork lift for bagged...
A truck scale so you can weigh the TT full and empty to verify the weight...
A place to dump the load and people to pick it up...
If members agree you can guesstimate the coal by doing a scoop = xxx#...
The only way it really works is if you do not have to rent equipment to move the coal...
You might also see if the coal man would let you buy a TT load and get a discount for paying up front...
That way you could use the coal man's equipment and yard...
Do it during the slow season and they may cut you a good deal...
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Re: What sort of truck or trailer is required for hauling coal?

PostBy: whistlenut On: Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:24 am

Larry, I just had 24+ tons dumped at my shop at 07:30 today in a snow storm with 40 MPH winds. The TT load was dumped, trailer cleaned, and the driver was on his way in 20 minutes. I know the issues of bulk vs bagged, each works best for some....but I have the equipment to move and now bag it here, so with a fork lift, and a loader, I'm good to go.
I cannot go to PA, with legal equipment, and save any money over doing as I have just done. The truckers are outstanding, and I cannot and do not want to try to save a few bucks by doing the trips myself. If you can get together with a couple other users, you are all set. Cash, coordination, and location, location, location for a 70 ft long rig weighing 40 tons to get in....and out of quickly. It is not a learning experience for the drivers, it is their livelihood.
You can save $50.00 at ton minimum, but your commitment will be greater. My hauler is in Ohio twice a week bringing coal and returning with 'Ethanol Mash'. PM me if you think he can make your situation work.
Your fuel costs will be substantial to go to the NEPA breaker of choice, let alone the rental cost, and truck stress........
38 years of burning, and I have never trucked a bag........or bulk. :idea: my .02....... :shock:
Last edited by whistlenut on Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:12 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: What sort of truck or trailer is required for hauling coal?

PostBy: AA130FIREMAN On: Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:04 pm

If you buy a TT load, you may want to try a small load first. 40 tons and you are commited, 1 ton if you don't like it, go somewhere else. Now if it was possable to do 40 ton of UAE Harmony, that stuff might make you :D
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Re: What sort of truck or trailer is required for hauling coal?

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:23 pm

TT loads run about 24 tons...
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Re: What sort of truck or trailer is required for hauling coal?

PostBy: AA130FIREMAN On: Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:32 pm

CapeCoaler wrote:TT loads run about 24 tons...

Then just hire a double or triple trailer :P Bet you could do 150 ton in a R/R box car,just a little trouble getting it to your door. :lol:
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Re: What sort of truck or trailer is required for hauling coal?

PostBy: Chuck_Steak On: Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:35 pm

Sting wrote:When unloading a trailer at street height - pick the pallet with the pallet jack then rope the handle to the jeep and pull it back to a wood stop. spin it and push it by hand -- only the last 4 feet to the edge.
Most loads plan for at least a couple hours of "dock" time - getting a guy that speaks English and one who will put the trailer where you want it might be the worst part.


In these parts, you keep a driver hanging around for a couple of hours,
to unload 18 pallets, you'd better be giving him a hefty tip...

Dan
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Re: What sort of truck or trailer is required for hauling coal?

PostBy: MURDOC1 On: Sun Feb 20, 2011 6:23 am

lsayre wrote:Not to pick nits, but to assist everyone here, that's an "L' (albeit lower case) in front of sayre.

lsayre = Larry Sayre


Hmm, thanks for the clarification, I thought it was a "I" capitol i ...

So that leads me to the next question- you wouldn't happen to be related to the Sayre family of Montgomery County Pa. would you??? As in G.L. Sayre Peterbilt/International/UD... Big truck dealer in Conshohocken, Pa... If so that would maybe answer your question of where to get/borrow a truck anyway... If relative of yours, you call them, ask for a truck and tell them that I'll be picking it up/driving it, I'll go to the breaker and pick up your stash then deliver it to you, then maybe stop at the breaker on my way back and pick up a load for myself before returning the truck to Sayres...

So, whatta ya say Larry, say it ain't so!!! Old Jim Sayre Sr. is awaiting your call, just be patient, he may need to turn up the miracle ear to hear you, after all, he was a chassis/suspension guy in the shop before taking over for his father many moons ago, or he could just put you on the phone with Jim Jr. who is now the head cheese... Many generations of 'Sayre' over there at that place, maybe just maybe you're part of the family???
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Re: What sort of truck or trailer is required for hauling coal?

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:57 am

MURDOC1 wrote:
lsayre wrote:Not to pick nits, but to assist everyone here, that's an "L' (albeit lower case) in front of sayre.

lsayre = Larry Sayre


Hmm, thanks for the clarification, I thought it was a "I" capitol i ...

So that leads me to the next question- you wouldn't happen to be related to the Sayre family of Montgomery County Pa. would you??? As in G.L. Sayre Peterbilt/International/UD... Big truck dealer in Conshohocken, Pa... If so that would maybe answer your question of where to get/borrow a truck anyway... If relative of yours, you call them, ask for a truck and tell them that I'll be picking it up/driving it, I'll go to the breaker and pick up your stash then deliver it to you, then maybe stop at the breaker on my way back and pick up a load for myself before returning the truck to Sayres...

So, whatta ya say Larry, say it ain't so!!! Old Jim Sayre Sr. is awaiting your call, just be patient, he may need to turn up the miracle ear to hear you, after all, he was a chassis/suspension guy in the shop before taking over for his father many moons ago, or he could just put you on the phone with Jim Jr. who is now the head cheese... Many generations of 'Sayre' over there at that place, maybe just maybe you're part of the family???


There are lots of us Sayre's out there. I get asked about my relations to other Sayre's quite often in fact. We're all probably related at some point if you draw the line backwards far enough, but sadly I've never heard of any of the Sayre's that you are mentioning. It would sure be nice to be related to a Sayre who is a Peterbilt truck dealer located somewhere that must be much closer to anthracite country than where I live.

What would the deal be if there was no free truck as part of the equation? Do you do this sort of thing on a regular basis?
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