Move over Wisconsin, The Corbett Revolution Starts in March

Move over Wisconsin, The Corbett Revolution Starts in March

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:53 pm

With a firm grasp on the PA General Assembly and Governors mansion Corbett and company is about to take the stage with the release of his budget in March.


Just how sweeping is the Corbett change agenda? Its details won't be revealed until his budget speech in early March. But this much is clear: Corbett and his Republican allies are proposing to remake state government in ways not seen in anyone's lifetime.

Budget cuts, and more

Massive budget reductions are just the opening act. Corbett intends to shrink state government, eliminate the state liquor monopoly, reduce business taxes, institute school vouchers, pass lawsuit reform, restructure public welfare, reform the state legislature and much more.

Read more: http://newsitem.com/opinion/will-gov-to ... z1EYBDw9Hk



I hear they are taking bids on a meat cleaver in Harrisburg. :lol:
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Re: Move over Wisconsin, The Corbett Revolution Starts in March

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Feb 20, 2011 10:33 pm

I`m certainly not saying that most of that isn`t long overdue, its just how they go about it.
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Re: Move over Wisconsin, The Corbett Revolution Starts in March

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sun Feb 20, 2011 10:54 pm

Meat Cleaver Sam, nothing less. ;)

As far as the Unions go you can expect they won't be taking same path Wisconsin has and only because the outlook in PA is better. I believe the deficit projections are almost exactly the same but we have double the population. They will have to make some concessions because many of the contracts are expired. Teachers may be losers because they want to allow students to pick what school they go to, with them goes their state funding. Companion legislation will allow a district to lay off employees for fiscal reasons which they can't do right now. At this point the biggest losers will be the LCB employees because the intention is get rid of it.

This will be massive overhaul to say the least.
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Re: Move over Wisconsin, The Corbett Revolution Starts in March

PostBy: BrotherDave On: Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:26 am

The Corbett Revolution, if it happens, needs to happen in all states in the country, except North Dakota(that's another story). My brother works in NYC for the Mass Transit Authority, he gets a pension in a few years after working for 35 years for the MTA. I tell him that the city and state are broke, and that you may not get the pension you think you were getting. He tells me that the city owes him that money, I just laugh to myself when I hear that. I try to tell him that his job doesn't create any wealth or profit, but that it actually takes wealth away. This is the look I get -> :| The tax base that provides for the gov't worker salary is shrinking, the non-gov't employee, like me, pays for the gov't employees salary and pension through my income tax and my companies taxes on its profit. I will work for forty years, where's my pension?!! If a gov't worker gets a guaranteed pension, I want one too. We all should get one or noone gets one. Oh yeah, I got a 401k that is tied to the stock market which can be tanked at any moment and is valued in dollars which are being devalued with every dollar that the Fed creates. One other point, if you are gov't worker, if you want a raise, why don't you just raise your income tax. Think about that.

Dave
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Re: Move over Wisconsin, The Corbett Revolution Starts in March

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:24 am

I would guess that a lot of the LCB clerks would simply get the chance to be hired over to the private sector, sure they would get a pay & beni. cut but there would be jobs. I would say to simply privatize all the schools, all of a sudden(for quite a few decades) schools don`t educate any longer but they did for many decades before that, even before the AC & huge campuses with the sports complexes that would have been considered pro team quality years ago. I wish him all the luck in the world on the welfare reform bit, think maybe I should dump this place & go on welfare myself, every time someone says there will be welfare reform the slugs get more. If he would cut welfare I`m glad I live where I do, I`ll still keep a round chambered just in case.
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Re: Move over Wisconsin, The Corbett Revolution Starts in March

PostBy: SMITTY On: Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:13 am

I dream of a day this will happen in MA.

With our state gov't, that's all it will ever be ...... just a dream. :mad:
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Re: Move over Wisconsin, The Corbett Revolution Starts in March

PostBy: Fran654 On: Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:18 am

well its been said many times , in many ways, the next revolution is seriously on its way,,PREPARE YOURSELF,,
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Re: Move over Wisconsin, The Corbett Revolution Starts in March

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Feb 21, 2011 6:52 pm

samhill wrote: I would say to simply privatize all the schools,


I like the plan they have, state funds will go to wherever the student goes to school public or private. This is going to open up competition between the schools for these students. You really can't go wrong because now they have too either provide a quality education or "go out of business". They will be forced to use those funds to benefit and attract students. I want them to take it step further and remove districts as taxing bodies, instead collect those taxes at the state level and give the students even more funds.

The school districts themselves can move into a pseudo private category. Ultimately schools that cater to the needs of the students each offering specific programs like music, academics or even sports will emerge.

Taking this a step further we could encourage even more savings by allowing the student to bank any unused funds for college. Suppose they can find a school that is going to offer an education for $8K and they have $10K. That $2k would go into bank account they could use for college. The schools could offer lower rates as an incentive to attract students.

It's all about empowering the parents and having an environment where schools are competing for students. I'd even suggest you give them the option to keep the funds for home schooling with some strict guidelines to insure the home schoolers are meeting standards.
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Re: Move over Wisconsin, The Corbett Revolution Starts in March

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:41 pm

Richard S. wrote:
It's all about empowering the parents and having an environment where schools are competing for students. I'd even suggest you give them the option to keep the funds for home schooling with some strict guidelines to insure the home schoolers are meeting standards.


Gee Richard, which standard would you have the homeschoolers meet? The ones imposed by the Federal Dept of Education which in Wisconsin resulted in 2/3 of 8th graders not being able to read at grade level or those imposed by parents which result in homeschoolers scoring an average of 70 points higher then the average public school student on the SAT test. I've provided a link to the most recent Homeschool Legal Defense Fund data sheet. It's pretty basic but it says it all. Say, what about giving the folks who are actually performing to standard, i.e. the homeschoolers, the money currently going to those who aren't making the grade. Nay, the homeschoolers are too smart for that. They know the minute they take any money they lose their ability to teach how and what they know works for something that is known to have failed. I'm so sick of hearing "we have to hold the home schoolers to the standard." How about holding the public schools to the same standard? Respectfully, Lisa


http://www.hslda.org/docs/media/2009/200908100.asp
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Re: Move over Wisconsin, The Corbett Revolution Starts in March

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:49 pm

Holy cow, a rare thing just happened here Lisa, I agree with most if not all of that. I think they ought to allow teachers to develop a style of their own to get their points across. The only problem with home schooling is that there aren`t that many parents that would take the time or for that matter are any where near capable just look around you sometimes.
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Re: Move over Wisconsin, The Corbett Revolution Starts in March

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:32 pm

samhill wrote:Holy cow, a rare thing just happened here Lisa, I agree with most if not all of that. I think they ought to allow teachers to develop a style of their own to get their points across. The only problem with home schooling is that there aren`t that many parents that would take the time or for that matter are any where near capable just look around you sometimes.


Will wonders never cease! Homeschooling will never replace public or private schools for the major of students but folks need to start accepting it as the highly successful alternative. Maybe we've been too successful and that's why we are always being challenged to meet the establishment standards. Hey, we are achieving higher standardized scores for an average cost of $500 a year; we must be doing something right. Take care, Lisa
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Re: Move over Wisconsin, The Corbett Revolution Starts in March

PostBy: Yanche On: Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:52 pm

lowfog01 wrote:
samhill wrote:Holy cow, a rare thing just happened here Lisa, I agree with most if not all of that. I think they ought to allow teachers to develop a style of their own to get their points across. The only problem with home schooling is that there aren`t that many parents that would take the time or for that matter are any where near capable just look around you sometimes.


Will wonders never cease! Homeschooling will never replace public or private schools for the major of students but folks need to start accepting it as the highly successful alternative. Maybe we've been too successful and that's why we are always being challenged to meet the establishment standards. Hey, we are achieving higher standardized scores for an average cost of $500 a year; we must be doing something right. Take care, Lisa

Home schooling can never be the norm for the general population. Home schooling assumes dedicated, disciplined and reasonably educated parents. Not always true for many parents. Education will always be primarily a government function. Even religious based education has its problems.
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Re: Move over Wisconsin, The Corbett Revolution Starts in March

PostBy: Richard S. On: Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:47 pm

lowfog01 wrote:
Gee Richard, which standard would you have the homeschoolers meet?


We would need some kind of standards to insure the money was being spent wisely, the people doing this now have no financial incentive and in fact are taking it on the chin paying for it themselves. It stands to reason they will be doing what is best for the child. My concern is we don't develop the same issues we have with programs like welfare when there is big pile of cash on the table. ;) In other words I wouldn't want to see parents homeschooling so they can game the system simply to get their hands on the money.


Nay, the homeschoolers are too smart for that. They know the minute they take any money they lose their ability to teach how and what they know works for something that is known to have failed.


The only reason I suggest this is because I think they deserve the money. If this was such a big issue then I'd certainly support the option for them to continue to completely opt out of any government funds and involvement. I don't see anyway to provide funds for them without any accountability.
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Re: Move over Wisconsin, The Corbett Revolution Starts in March

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:03 am

I agree with that Richard, its sad but true any type of program has to be carefully though out to eliminate a way to abuse it. Even worse when you dig into some of these programs it would seem that the methods of cheating are built right into the wording & start almost as soon as the program.
Heres an example of what I mean & it goes on everywhere everyday then people wonder why programs cost so much.
http://www.startribune.com/business/116409314.html
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.
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Re: Move over Wisconsin, The Corbett Revolution Starts in March

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:12 am

Very interesting stuff Lisa,

Every President in my lifetime has said they were the "Education President" and look where we are. Education of the people that will run the country one day is of prime importance and these are my fixes:

No unions, the reward for bad performance is you get fired - you know like we have to suffer in the real world. However, the best teachers should make a lot of money.

NO lawsuits. Teachers must be able to meet out discipline. There needs to be checks and balances but we are WAY off. Those bad kids in the city areas - throw their as ses in a really bad jail, the rest will soon get the message. No trials - no appeals - Principal says you go there - you go there.

Shut the Education Dept (that does zippo) and give the money directly to states for schooling.

Compulsory military service for two years and no lawsuits for the officers. You shape up or die.

Within a generation we would have a different society but in order to change you must start with the children - simple as that.
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