School Taxes

School Taxes

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:44 pm

how bout why do those people who dont have children have to pay out of control school taxes??? ;)
Last edited by Richard S. on Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:47 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Greece: "I Won't Pay"

PostBy: heartofcoal On: Fri Feb 25, 2011 6:07 pm

Poconoeagle wrote:how bout why do those people who dont have children have to pay out of control school taxes??? ;)


My wife and I have discussed this issue many times
Our town collects 18 million in property tax each year...... 8 million of that goes to the public school system
Well....... WE DON'T HAVE KIDS! Down town is loaded with welfare folks riding the gravy train. It's their kids that WE pay for :mad:
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Re: Greece: "I Won't Pay"

PostBy: Richard S. On: Fri Feb 25, 2011 6:39 pm

Most of my views as you would know are solidly conservative but school taxes is one thing I solidly support, as I said in another thread move ALL the school taxes to the state level and then provide vouchers for the full amount to the students. Let the parents decide where their child gets educated. Everyone here has directly benefited or indirectly from public schools even if you went to private school and have no kids. The fact is poor people would not be able to educate their children, we have enough dummies in this country, we don't need anymore.
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Re: Greece: "I Won't Pay"

PostBy: freetown fred On: Fri Feb 25, 2011 6:58 pm

Now I know this is a ridiculous thought on the old farmers part,but, if you can't afford kids, don't have them--don't just have have them because welfare will give you more money :mad: this would be possible to control if people would get thier heads out of thier butts--in fact--neutering seems like a pretty good plan ;) drug testing--there's a bunch of things that need to be implimented to cut some of this welfare money out put--put the bums to work cleaning highways or sidewalks,or something :!: Plus--poor doesn't mean dumb,usually in my world--lazy means uneducated
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Re: Greece: "I Won't Pay"

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Feb 25, 2011 7:08 pm

Richard S. wrote:The fact is poor people would not be able to educate their children, we have enough dummies in this country, we don't need anymore.


Well gee, what all did everyone do before 1965 and the DoE?

All them "dummies" managed to use slide rules and logic to put a man on the moon.

It's incorrect to believe the government is providing superior service. Hell, I'd almost settle for barely adequate!
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Re: Greece: "I Won't Pay"

PostBy: Freddy On: Fri Feb 25, 2011 7:15 pm

Bumper sticker: "If you think education is expensive....try ignorance."
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Re: Greece: "I Won't Pay"

PostBy: heartofcoal On: Fri Feb 25, 2011 7:30 pm

freetown fred wrote:Now I know this is a ridiculous thought on the old farmers part,but, if you can't afford kids, don't have them--don't just have have them because welfare will give you more money :mad: this would be possible to control if people would get thier heads out of thier butts--in fact--neutering seems like a pretty good plan ;) drug testing--there's a bunch of things that need to be implimented to cut some of this welfare money out put--put the bums to work cleaning highways or sidewalks,or something :!: Plus--poor doesn't mean dumb,usually in my world--lazy means uneducated


Fred, I completely agree with every word.
I know people on disability who have absolutely nothing wrong with them other than being lazy.
And many of them work under the table. The same goes for the welfare folks!
I know one scumbag who's got disability for herself and both her kids! There's a dish rag who can really work the system.
And how much money is spent on private detectives to spy on folks who are on workers comp?
Lets spend a few bucks and watch these people on welfare and disability. catch em and throw them off the system.
If they're legitimate, make them earn that monthly check, free housing and food stamps. Oh, and in Mass, FREE CELL PHONES :mad:
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Re: Greece: "I Won't Pay"

PostBy: Richard S. On: Fri Feb 25, 2011 7:55 pm

To clarify my above post I meant to say "afford to educate".

jpete wrote:Well gee, what all did everyone do before 1965 and the DoE?


Publicly funded education has been with us longer than that, my 92 year old Grandmother went to public school. ;)


jpete wrote:
It's incorrect to believe the government is providing superior service. Hell, I'd almost settle for barely adequate!


I'd agree and I didn't suggest the service was superior, PA has a good plan in the works. They are going to allow the students to apply to any school public or private, with them goes their state funds which is probably half of the funding. Companion legislation will allow a school district to layoff a teacher for fiscal reasons which they can't do right now. As I posted I'd like to see it expanded and remove the school districts as taxing bodies and collect more at the state level so each student gets ALL the funds. This will introduce competition for students, poorly performing schools will lose students and funding....
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Re: Greece: "I Won't Pay"

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:20 pm

Richard S. wrote:To clarify my above post I meant to say "afford to educate".

jpete wrote:Well gee, what all did everyone do before 1965 and the DoE?


Publicly funded education has been with us longer than that, my 92 year old Grandmother went to public school. ;)


She went to a LOCAL school that was run by the immediate area in which she lived. She didn't go to an NEA dominated, DoE mandated mish mash of stupidity. :D


Richard S. wrote:I'd agree and I didn't suggest the service was superior, PA has a good plan in the works. They are going to allow the students to apply to any school public or private, with them goes their state funds which is probably half of the funding. Companion legislation will allow a school district to layoff a teacher for fiscal reasons which they can't do right now. As I posted I'd like to see it expanded and remove the school districts as taxing bodies and collect more at the state level so each student gets ALL the funds. This will introduce competition for students, poorly performing schools will lose students and funding....


Our school districts aren't taxing bodies and I can assure you it doesn't work any better.
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Re: Greece: "I Won't Pay"

PostBy: heartofcoal On: Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:34 pm

Just pulled this off a search
American schools are failing because they are organized according to a bureaucratic, monopolistic model. A school voucher of $3,000 per student per year would give more families the option of sending their children to non-government schools. However, many people believe that such a small amount could not possibly cover tuition at a private school; they may be thinking of such costly schools as Dalton, Andover, and Exeter and concluding that all private schools cost in excess of $10,000 a year.

In fact, Education Department figures show that the average private elementary school tuition in America is less than $2,500. The average tuition for all private schools, elementary and secondary, is $3,116, or less than half of the cost per pupil in the average public school, $6,857. A survey of private schools in Indianapolis, Jersey City, San Francisco, and Atlanta shows that there are many options available to families with $3,000 to spend on a child's education. Even more options would no doubt appear if all parents were armed with $3,000 vouchers.
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Re: Greece: "I Won't Pay"

PostBy: Richard S. On: Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:45 pm

jpete wrote:
Our school districts aren't taxing bodies and I can assure you it doesn't work any better.


Who collects the taxes is irrelevant as long as you empower the parents by letting them dictate where they get spent. The reason I suggest state level is because it's obvious choice because they can evenly distribute to each student.
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Re: Greece: "I Won't Pay"

PostBy: Richard S. On: Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:54 pm

heartofcoal wrote: Even more options would no doubt appear if all parents were armed with $3,000 vouchers.


Imagine the options if they were armed with $10K. My other suggestion to decrease costs was to allow the students to bank anything they didn't spend for college education. The schools would not only have to offer a quality service to attract students but also do it as cheaply as possible.
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Re: School Taxes

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:56 pm

Who collects the taxes doesn't matter but who spends them does. And since the inception of the DoE, that's not you.

I don't know where a public school student costs $6k, around here it's more than twice that. And if the student is "special needs", you can add $6k on top of that.

And English as a second language counts as "special needs". Last I heard, there were 78 different languages spoken in the Providence Public School system.

How do you figure more money is going to solve that?
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Re: School Taxes

PostBy: Richard S. On: Fri Feb 25, 2011 9:05 pm

jpete wrote:I don't know where a public school student costs $6k, around here it's more than twice that. And if the student is "special needs", you can add $6k on top of that.


This is one of the sticking points I've thought of myself, not so sure what you do there. Best solution I can come up with is the school has to accept a certain percentage of special needs.

And English as a second language counts as "special needs". Last I heard, there were 78 different languages spoken in the Providence Public School system.


You have to think out of the box about this. What makes you think private schools that might specialize in catering to the needs of these kids wouldn't materialize? Taking that a step further we could have all kinds of schools specializing in certain things like vocational schools, arts and music or even those that are looking for sports. In other words jpete we turn the school sytem into a free market sytem. You have basic standard the schools must meet for things like math and English and let them take it from there.

How do you figure more money is going to solve that?


I don't recall saying we need more taxes, just move them to one taxing body. Matter of fact it may cost less.
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Re: School Taxes

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Feb 25, 2011 9:12 pm

You can't have a free market where government is involved.

Because the cost is generally hidden, people tend to think of public school as "free".

And because they are paying so much for their "free" education, they don't have the money for a private education. No matter what cost.
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