Oil prices rising again

Oil prices rising again

PostBy: daluds On: Fri Mar 11, 2011 8:35 pm

Oil prices are $3.70 a gallon. I was going to fill up on oil for the spring/summer, but now will have to figure out how to pressurize my boiler room to get a good draft to prevent fire outages. I put in a vent this past summer, but it didn't help enough. I am considering adding a fan to blow fresh air into the boiler room. I want to get a controller to dump the heat when it hits the high limit to prevent the fire from going out too. Any recommendations on micro controller units to buy? I'll have to search the forum since this was discussed in the past.

Are boiler sales picking up?

Thanks!
daluds
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
Coal Size/Type: Rice
Stove/Furnace Make: EMF
Stove/Furnace Model: DF-520

Re: Oil prices rising again

PostBy: stoker-man On: Sat Mar 12, 2011 6:31 am

There is alot more interest in coal-fired boilers now, but I don't know if sales are picking up.
stoker-man
 
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: 1981 efm wcb-24 in use 365 days a year
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite/Chestnut
Other Heating: Hearthstone wood stove

Re: Oil prices rising again

PostBy: daluds On: Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:52 pm

Wow - Oil prices still at about $3.70 per gallon in July!
daluds
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
Coal Size/Type: Rice
Stove/Furnace Make: EMF
Stove/Furnace Model: DF-520

Re: Oil prices rising again

PostBy: SMITTY On: Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:09 pm

Yeah my area runs the gamut from $3.43 to $3.79 a gallon. :mad:

I'm contemplating yanking the oil burner unit out & starting a fire in there. Or maybe I could jam a stoker in there? :idea: Hmmmmmmm ........ :yes: The wheels are turnin ......
SMITTY
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Patriot Coal - custom built by Jim Dorsey
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III (not currently in use)
Coal Size/Type: Rice / Blaschak anthracite
Other Heating: Oil fired Burnham boiler

Re: Oil prices rising again

PostBy: snuffy On: Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:49 pm

Just paid $537 for 155 gallons to fill up the oil tanks. Wasn't about to take the chance on prices after 8/2. Glad I upgraded the Mark III to the to the Harman SF250, I'll take delivery in October. I need to give strong thought to plumbing it into my existing oil burner hot water systems. I plan to park the Mark III and possibly use it for a planned addition or maybe use it to somehow heat the driveway and clear the snow and ice - then I would the neighborhood's cat meow!
snuffy
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman SF250 & Mark III backup
Other Heating: Oil Hot Water

Re: Oil prices rising again

PostBy: 2001Sierra On: Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:16 pm

I buy from the low price guy once a year. Oil is less than $97.00 a barrel and heating oil is still rising. My guy just went to $3.84, but the guy in the nice shiny trucks is $4.19. Chrome is not free :x The folks out in the country that do not burn wood or coal are going to be sorry :x I hope our house prices in the country do not reflect on the fact we cannot burn Natural Gas, as it does not reach us. Not everyone has our ambition to use other heat sources.
2001Sierra
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Keystoker 90 Chimney vent
Coal Size/Type: Rice
Other Heating: Buderus Oil Boiler 3115-34
Stove/Furnace Model: Keystoker 90 Chimney Vent

Re: Oil prices rising again

PostBy: whistlenut On: Wed Feb 08, 2012 12:18 am

'BOHICA' from our friends in the middle east! I wished they would make a long term arrangement with the makers of KY, and that would be OK until KY goes over a hundred dollars a barrel. NG may be fine for those who have it available in their areas, but out in the country we already have a seasonal KY buyers plan for #2, a super concentrated plan for Propane users, and the folks with solid fuels....well, they don't have to sit down to pee unless they want to.
Order up more wood and more coal for the NEXT season or two, and buckle up the six point harness, this is continuing to be a bumpy ride. :shock: :roll: :idea: :cry:
whistlenut
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AA130's,260's, AHS130&260's,EFM900,GJ&VanWert
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Franks Boiler,Itasca415,NYer130,Van Wert
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Yellow Flame
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Alaska-4,Keystoker-2,
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Alaska,Gibraltor,Keystone,Vc Vigilant 2
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Van Wert, NYer's, Ford,Jensen.
Coal Size/Type: Rice,Buck,Pea,Nut&Stove
Other Heating: Oil HWBB

Re: Oil prices rising again

PostBy: stoker-man On: Wed Feb 08, 2012 6:26 am

NG was becoming economical in PA, so recently I read that they are going to cut production to get the price back up.
stoker-man
 
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: 1981 efm wcb-24 in use 365 days a year
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite/Chestnut
Other Heating: Hearthstone wood stove

Re: Oil prices rising again

PostBy: lsayre On: Wed Feb 08, 2012 6:59 am

stoker-man wrote:NG was becoming economical in PA, so recently I read that they are going to cut production to get the price back up.


We complain whenever the "Oil Cartel" does that, and we call them evil. Then if they don't back down we do something like sending our ships over to threaten them a bit until all is good again. Perhaps they are just being good capitalists after all, and we should let them alone to decide the price of their own products? Sort of like Ron Paul might have said....
lsayre
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Pea
Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (if I ever get it fixed)

Re: Oil prices rising again

PostBy: 2001Sierra On: Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:14 am

I did not touch this years 7500lb purchase. I am getting good at stacking the bags in the new "Coal Barn" built in 2010. I think I can get 20000lbs in it before it gets into my "scrapping business". It is a viscous cycle, the scrap pays for the coal, and coal gets in the way of the scrap. I need another barn. People, realize my barns are only 8 x 22. I do not have the resources or space to do more, but I am making it happen with what I have.I am doing the "American Dream" on a slightly smaller scale than others, but keep the faith :D
2001Sierra
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Keystoker 90 Chimney vent
Coal Size/Type: Rice
Other Heating: Buderus Oil Boiler 3115-34
Stove/Furnace Model: Keystoker 90 Chimney Vent

Re: Oil prices rising again

PostBy: RAYJAY On: Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:26 pm

stoker-man wrote:There is alot more interest in coal-fired boilers now, but I don't know if sales are picking up.


there just capping wells and waiting in my area ....... you will see a big price jump on NG when they get the compression plants set up for it then it will be ship it off over seas, i know one of the drillers in this area is pulling out and going back to TX oil is up and there going to drill for oil now......
RAYJAY
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: VAN WERT - 600 VA HOT WATER
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: HARMAN- MAGUM STOKER
Coal Size/Type: BUCKWHEAT ON BOTH
Other Heating: NG BOILER

Re: Oil prices rising again

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Sat Feb 11, 2012 5:47 pm

daluds wrote:Oil prices are $3.70 a gallon. I was going to fill up on oil for the spring/summer, but now will have to figure out how to pressurize my boiler room to get a good draft to prevent fire outages. I put in a vent this past summer, but it didn't help enough. I am considering adding a fan to blow fresh air into the boiler room.


http://tjernlund.com/rooftop_draft_inducers.htm
Wood'nCoal
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: 1959 EFM 350
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Magnafire Mark I
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Fisher Fireplace Insert

Re: Oil prices rising again

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Feb 11, 2012 6:57 pm

In the long run oil prices are irrelevant. Since oil is a finite resource, EROEI will some day (soon perhaps) be all that matters.

EROEI = Energy returned on energy invested

In the 1930's and earlier it cost roughly one barrel of oil "equivalent" energy input to yield 100 barrels of oil output. Today we are at about 1 barrel of oil energy "equivalent" invested to yield a return of 7 or 8 barrels of oil. The trend has been on a massively downward slope for decades. On top of this we (on a worldwide scale) are currently discovering only one barrel of oil as new "reserves" to replace somewhere around 4 barrels of oil being actually consumed, and this gap is continually widening to the detrimental side.

In every generational period of roughly 35 years the peoples of the world will collectively consume more crude oil than had all of the previous generations of mankind combined. Analysts are beginning to realize that with India and China becoming major players in the oil consumption arena, the world will soon need to discover the equivalent of a new Saudi Arabia every 4 years. Place your bets (wisely).
lsayre
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Pea
Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (if I ever get it fixed)

Re: Oil prices rising again

PostBy: stoker-man On: Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:36 pm

Are you sure the loss of return on investment isn't because the environmental movement has forced drillers to drill in places where there is no oil?
stoker-man
 
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: 1981 efm wcb-24 in use 365 days a year
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite/Chestnut
Other Heating: Hearthstone wood stove

Re: Oil prices rising again

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:01 pm

Quite sure, because the downward trends have been seen for decades, and started well before the current political and environmental movements gained sufficient momentum to also become a hindrance. Plus the phenomenon is being seen worldwide, not just here in the USA, and much of the remaining world (such as China, Russia, India, etc...) does not share in (or care at all about) our environmental concerns.

Peak world oil discovery occurred in 1964. Peak consumption has yet to be seen. Peak production output has also yet to be seen.

As for the USA, peak discovery occurred in 1930, and peak of production output occurred in 1970. Current USA oil output is roughly 50% less than 1970. This was all mainly before we began to politicise and environmentalize oil drilling.
lsayre
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Pea
Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (if I ever get it fixed)