Help! Problem with very hot coal-trol on a Pocono.

Help! Problem with very hot coal-trol on a Pocono.

PostBy: molson4725 On: Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:50 pm

Stove was burning fine all day. I Went down the basement to grab something and smelled something like plastic burning. Stove has been running like a charm all winter. Went over to the stove and couldn't smell anything. Picked up the lid to the hopper and smelled the plastic burning. Was a little confused. Checked the stove over and couldnt find anything. All fans and motors running normal. Put my hand on the coal-trol box mounted to the hopper and it was extremely hot. Also noticed that the cap that holds the fuse in was melted to the fuse! Any idea what could be going on here? Had to shut it down of course. My dealer is closed through march so I guess I will try calling Matt or Dave at Leisure Line tomorrow. Waiting for her to cool down so I can get at that box and maybe take it off. I did try to pull the fuse out and its stuck.
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PostBy: WNY On: Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:54 pm

THat doesn't sound good. Sounds like something overheated, maybe it was running real low on the fans or the fans were running at a low feed rate and drawing too much current ? Maybe need a higher setting on the convection fans for low operation? Some blowers don't operate at a low voltage.
Just my 2 cents, but the guys at LL or coaltrol will know!
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Re: Help! Problem with very hot coal-trol on a Pocono.

PostBy: molson4725 On: Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:26 pm

Thanks Dave. It was running at a pretty good clip. Not low at all. Fans where running about 40%. Had about 5 inches of hot coals on the grate. It was calling for heat.
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Re: Help! Problem with very hot coal-trol on a Pocono.

PostBy: molson4725 On: Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:48 pm

Got the Coal-trol box off..fuse didnt blow but the holder is kinda melted. No settings have change since I had the stove. Plugged everthing in manually, both blower fans running normally. Combustion fan running normal. Feed motor also running normal.
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Re: Help! Problem with very hot coal-trol on a Pocono.

PostBy: Coalfire On: Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:56 pm

It is possible there was a poor connection in the fuse cap, that over time increased its resistance and in turn made more heat. It's a vicious cycle, then one day the weakest link gives out.

Just a thought,



Eric
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Re: Help! Problem with very hot coal-trol on a Pocono.

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:15 pm

Coalfire wrote:It is possible there was a poor connection in the fuse cap, that over time increased its resistance and in turn made more heat. It's a vicious cycle, then one day the weakest link gives out.

Just a thought,



Eric


Give Matt a call , 570-752-1811 sounds like maybe a bad connection or one of the motors are getting tight causing higher current. Were they lubed through the oil holes in the past year . There are hidden oil holes on the fasco motors for the bearings :D
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Re: Help! Problem with very hot coal-trol on a Pocono.

PostBy: beatle78 On: Wed Mar 16, 2011 10:06 pm

Flyer5 wrote:
Coalfire wrote:It is possible there was a poor connection in the fuse cap, that over time increased its resistance and in turn made more heat. It's a vicious cycle, then one day the weakest link gives out.

Just a thought,



Eric


Give Matt a call , 570-752-1811 sounds like maybe a bad connection or one of the motors are getting tight causing higher current. Were they lubed through the oil holes in the past year . There are hidden oil holes on the fasco motors for the bearings :D


Dave's suggestion sounds very possible. The bearing on my dad's auger locked up & it blew the control board (Harman used a 7A fuse & their later designs used a 3A fuse :mad: The fuse is supposed to blow before the board.) The motor drew too much current trying to turn the auger which in turn caused several chips/components on the board fried. Fried = excessive heat.
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Re: Help! Problem with very hot coal-trol on a Pocono.

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Thu Mar 17, 2011 4:13 am

Ah Harman, my P38+ is giving constant problems as a result of the auger as did my Quadrafire that I dumped. If it's under ten years old look for melted chewing gum. HNI substituted gum and duct tape from good old US steel about then. Take the back off and look at the board quality and the wiring. They don't make them like that anymore since the Chinaman that threw it together sobered up. Now the new production manager has an opium pipe and things are much worse. Look inside the new much prettier Magnum, those auger wheels are plastic taken from the pellet stove line. No need to waste money on those old steel wheels. Money has to be saved somewhere to pay for the Presidents new Lear Jet. Hello HNI am I getting through?
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Re: Help! Problem with very hot coal-trol on a Pocono.

PostBy: molson4725 On: Sat Mar 19, 2011 10:06 pm

A Big THANK YOU to Matt from Leisure Line! Coalfire, you where aslo right. There must have been a bad connection somewhere in the fuse holder/cap. Matt suggested this also. Matt hooked me up with the new parts and I have been back up and running for two days with no issues. Thanks to all who posted ideas or comments. I do have to say that the guys at Leisure Line are just awesome. What other company can u call and have one of the owners answer the phone? Thats what I call customer service! I am definately happy I chose to go with this stove and company. I know as long as these guys keep making stoves and own this company I will be a customer! This was just a minor problem, I know, but it nice to know the help is there when you need it. Keep up the great work LL!! :up: :clap:
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Re: Help! Problem with very hot coal-trol on a Pocono.

PostBy: NH Fire Dog On: Sat Mar 19, 2011 10:09 pm

That's what I'm talkin about ! :)
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Re: Help! Problem with very hot coal-trol on a Pocono.

PostBy: beatle78 On: Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:46 pm

Glad to hear your back online.

Just to clarify, was the cap on the fuse loose, aka bad fuse, or was the connection from the fuse to the board loose?

Thanks!
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