"CARB" Compliant Portable Gas Tanks

"CARB" Compliant Portable Gas Tanks

PostBy: Uglysquirrel On: Wed Mar 16, 2011 8:58 pm

Not sure if anyone has recently looked at the :mad: new :mad: 5 gallon gas tanks that no longer have a vent hole with some sort of gas cut off feature at the spout. All this is "CARB" stuff so not to vent those dangerous fumes.

Would appreciate any experiences with these *new* Tanls, please mention the make and good/bads, etc. I was looking at the Blitz's. My main concern is how they pour w/o a vent and how much they grow with temperature changes.

Ug
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Re: "CARB" Compliant Portable Gas Tanks

PostBy: AA130FIREMAN On: Wed Mar 16, 2011 9:03 pm

Flea market used gas tank, no need for the new style. It has been illegal in PA. for some years now to sell the old style, big fines.
Last edited by AA130FIREMAN on Wed Mar 16, 2011 9:09 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: "CARB" Compliant Portable Gas Tanks

PostBy: mozz On: Wed Mar 16, 2011 9:05 pm

I have these in red and blue.
http://www.blitzusa.com/products/fuel/C ... fc5svg.htm
But it is showing international orders only and discontinued. I have seen them swell pretty bad in the shed in the summer. But i figured if it gets bad enough, it would blow the yellow stopper off of the end.
I don't know if the new style is any better, go to your local hardware store and maybe grab an older style before you are not allowed to buy them.
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Re: "CARB" Compliant Portable Gas Tanks

PostBy: Coalfire On: Wed Mar 16, 2011 9:05 pm

I have a blitz first gen. It came out about 5 years ago(all I could get) It has a spring loaded nozzle and no vent. Turn it upside down, and push down. Sounds easy, but when you fill a push mower it doesn't really shut off. I guess it is green but I have spilled more gas with that thing than a more traditional can. I would rather have an old can, The new ones do swell pretty good in the heat, and shrink in the cold.


Its all you can get though :mad:



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Re: "CARB" Compliant Portable Gas Tanks

PostBy: AA130FIREMAN On: Wed Mar 16, 2011 9:10 pm

Coalfire wrote:

Its all you can get though :mad:



Eric

FLEA MARKET :) :) If you have the old style, the new nozzle will not fit the tank, and vice versa :mad:
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Re: "CARB" Compliant Portable Gas Tanks

PostBy: europachris On: Wed Mar 16, 2011 9:56 pm

What is old is new again....

I remember back in the 70's my father had a steel, rectangular 2 gallon "Eagle" gas can and a smaller 1 gallon can for the weed trimmer. They looked just like the 1 gallon cans that paint thinner, etc. comes in. They had a plastic spout with a snap-on cap and the spout was internally vented with a little tube molded into it up the inside. They were excellent to handle and didn't drool, drip, or spit (reminds me of an ex-girlfriend....)

I have some generic 5 gallon plastic cans now and I put on some of the "push" spouts that stop the flow when you pull them off the fill neck of the tank. They work fine, but I leave the vent slightly open all the time as one day it started out cool and the can was about 1/4 full. I opened the garage (faces west) to get the tractor out and went about my mowing. The can was sitting right in the hot sun and I swear it looked like a tick about to pop. :blowup: I slowly opened up the vent and it really hissed. I don't know what it would take to pop one of these cans, but a sealed plastic can full of gas sitting in the sun on a 90 degree day is sure going to test it out.

The gas vapors are going to get into the air one way or the other. Sealing up the can is like putting a big cork in your a$$. It's gotta come out at some point. CARB is a useless waste.
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Re: "CARB" Compliant Portable Gas Tanks

PostBy: KLook On: Wed Mar 16, 2011 11:07 pm

Throw away the spout or you will spill $4/gal. gas. I bought an electric dc powered pump and it is the best thing since sliced bread. Whoever designed the new ones should be dropped into the nuke plant in Japan. I found it at a True Value store for $13. :) The batteries have lasted for 3 years. 2 D cells.

Kevin
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Re: "CARB" Compliant Portable Gas Tanks

PostBy: watkinsdr On: Thu Mar 17, 2011 4:00 am

Yes! I discovered what a PITA the new "environmentally friendly" gas and diesel cans were two years ago during our huge ice storm in New England...

Recommendation: Find a good size lag screw (one big enough so you can easily turn with your fingers...) and an appropriatly sized drill bit which closely matches. With your hand drill, drill your new vent hole in an reasonable location on the top of the can opposite the spout. The soft plastic drills nicely; and, with the appropriate size lag screw, you shouldn't have any problems now venting your gas can and pouring gas.

You may want to drill a couple of test holes in a piece of scrap wood or plasic if you've never done this before...

Problem solved! You now have a fully usable fuel container with a vent which works like a charm.

Just don't tell any of your tree hugger friends, local members of Greenpeace, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, etc. And if they do find out---tell them to go over to Japan and check out the radioactive gases spewing out of their nuclear reactors which are melting down... Gee---I wonder what would happen to a coal fired power plant in an earthquake?? Off topic---sorry...
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Re: "CARB" Compliant Portable Gas Tanks

PostBy: Rob R. On: Thu Mar 17, 2011 6:18 am

I bought a rather expensive gas can for my 2-stoke gas, it has a push button to vent the can as it pours. It works EXCELLENT and I have yet to spill a drop.
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Re: "CARB" Compliant Portable Gas Tanks

PostBy: SMITTY On: Thu Mar 17, 2011 10:14 am

Another on a long list of things that make me ABSOLUTELY FURIOUS!! :mad3: :mad3: :mad3:

Leave it to the God damn EPA to send us backward in technology. We had gas cans that did the job for 100 years ... now all of a sudden they need to design something that won't release vapor ......... OR THE F***ING GAS!!!! :wtf: STUPID!!! You have no idea how pissed off I was the first time I used one of these useless pieces of *censored*! Like I have all friggin day to sit there while the fuel goes .. chug ...... chug .... chug -- 10 minutes per gallon! What a f****ing joke!!!! :mad: GRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!! There is absolutely NO good reason for this stupidity. F***ing treehuggers!!!


Screw 'em all. I bought a 55 gallon steel drum & fitted this: http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/ ... _200329831 to it. Don't need power to run it - just a battery. Makes life much better! I fill it up once per year. I try to do it in the summer for the better fuel ... although these days it all sucks. I still have all my old gas cans to fill up in case I run out of gas away from the barn.
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Re: "CARB" Compliant Portable Gas Tanks

PostBy: Uglysquirrel On: Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:00 pm

SMITTY wrote:Screw 'em all. I bought a 55 gallon steel drum & fitted this: http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/ ... _200329831 to it. Don't need power to run it - just a battery. Makes life much better! I fill it up once per year. I try to do it in the summer for the better fuel ... although these days it all sucks. I still have all my old gas cans to fill up in case I run out of gas away from the barn.


Good idea
Do you need to ground the drum? I would imagine the pump would need to be grounded especially if the barrel was plastic and it was insulated from the ground.... :blowup:
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Re: "CARB" Compliant Portable Gas Tanks

PostBy: SMITTY On: Wed Mar 23, 2011 11:59 pm

What I do is connect both the positive & negative power cables from the pump to my tonneau cover mounts - which are in direct contact with bare metal (not sure if that even does anything at all) - and always keep the nozzle of the station's pump touching the metal barrel at all times. Most importantly in the beginning ... when there's about a 1 million cc engine just waiting to "start" ... :blowup:

Back in '99 I used to load 5 of these in the back of a Dodge Dakota, on top of a plastic bed liner, & by the 3rd one the frame was resting on the helpers! :lol: Back then I didn't even give a thought about static electricity. I was probably smoking too, & getting mouthy with people questioning my logic. :D
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Re: "CARB" Compliant Portable Gas Tanks

PostBy: stovepipemike On: Sun Jun 12, 2011 8:54 am

Back in the 70's I invested in an all steel gas can complete with a spring loaded closure cap and flame arrestor built into the stubby fill neck.Not only does 5 gallon of gas cost more than what it did in 1973 I am absolutely certain that it also got heavier when you need to lift to pickup tank height.I see now they are out with a tree hugger funnel that snaps around the spout of this style fuel can so every drop can be accounted for. $7.00 for a plastic funnel seems steep to me. I am still pleased with this UL/fire underwriters can after all these years.Looks good,works good and my kid will inherit it. I won't buy any new abomination as long as there are any of this style available anywhere. Mike
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Re: "CARB" Compliant Portable Gas Tanks

PostBy: MURDOC1 On: Sun Jun 12, 2011 5:32 pm

Check out the cans made by No Spill... Just put those two words together and add .com to the end and there you have it... I own a 1-1/4 and a 2-1/2 gallon gas can made by these folks and they are the greatest CARB compliant cans I have ever used... They flow up to 3 GPM and don't spill a drop... They empty out FAST, real fast!!! Little bit expensive but worth the extra coin just to save yourself the frustration of using all other type CARB cans... I've had them for approx. 4 years now and no issues at all... They offer them in 1-1/4, 2-1/2 and 5 gallon gasoline, 5 gallon diesel (yellow) and 5 gallon kerosene (blue)... Also offered are the "multipurpose" cans, not designed for gas, diesel, kero... Offered in the same sizes as the red gasoline cans only they are white....

Hope this helps

Murdoc
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Re: "CARB" Compliant Portable Gas Tanks

PostBy: 009to090 On: Sun Jun 12, 2011 6:39 pm

MURDOC1 wrote:Check out the cans made by No Spill... Just put those two words together and add .com to the end and there you have it... I own a 1-1/4 and a 2-1/2 gallon gas can made by these folks and they are the greatest CARB compliant cans I have ever used... They flow up to 3 GPM and don't spill a drop... They empty out FAST, real fast!!! Little bit expensive but worth the extra coin just to save yourself the frustration of using all other type CARB cans... I've had them for approx. 4 years now and no issues at all...

Hey I just checked these out. How sturdy is the plastic spouts? I have trouble with the plastic "CARB compliant" spouts always breaking or popping off on me. At least you can order spare parts for these NO-SPILL spouts.
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