coalnewbie wrote:Look at Vermont castings, Godin, old baseburners (to die for), Agas and now some wood burners - all gorgeous stoves. Even the Harman DVC wih a gold door is not bad and the new Magnum looks OK. Here again is a post from a guy who bought a Vermont Casting based on looks. In my book none of the above stoves are worth a damn as modern anthracite burners (with apologies to Mr. Herrick). My Pocos are in the basement so I don't care what they look like. So come on let's have a design forum not functional design ideas just looks. Let it be something that could go onto the front page of Architectural Digest. With oil at $120bbl the snobby McMansion set will be looking at new ideas.
Sting wrote:Doesn't give two toots about the cost
Richard S. wrote:Sting wrote:Doesn't give two toots about the cost
...and rarely is going to bother with coal for heat. Out of the 600 customers I had maybe 2 that would fit into the cost doesn't matter category. One had a boiler and the other got 15 ton to stock pile for hand fired stove I never heard from again.
wsherrick wrote:The thing is my Base Burner will match the heat output of your stove while using 50 to 75% less coal and do it without any dependency on electricity or auxiliary appliances. So what are you trying to say here.
franco b wrote:wsherrick wrote:The thing is my Base Burner will match the heat output of your stove while using 50 to 75% less coal and do it without any dependency on electricity or auxiliary appliances. So what are you trying to say here.
While I am admirer of the best of the old stoves I don't think you are being objective in assessing new stoves. Your stove is a batch loading stove with an extended heat exchange area. It lacks both a magazine and thermostat to automatically control the air. A modern stove like the Hitzer also has the equivalent of extended heat exchange area by using a blower to increase the effectiveness of its heat exchange. It also has both magazine or hopper and thermostat. I very much doubt whether any batch loading stove whether new or old can match it for efficiency when run at a moderate firing rate. There are also efficient modern stoves that do not require electricity. Both the Surdiac and Franco Belge have extended heat exchange plus both hopper and thermostat. They have been tested to achieve efficiencies in the upper 80s and even to exceed 90 percent by official government testing laboratories in both France and Germany.
I am not saying that any of these stoves are perfect or that there is no room for improvement which I think is true in both old and new stoves.
I am looking forward to the report by Nortcan when he gets his new stove running to compare with his Vigilant. I think he will be objective in his report.
Concerning styling I agree that for the most part the old stoves have better style but even here it went rapidly downhill after the 1920s or so.
wsherrick wrote: If you want to prove me wrong, get a base heater and see for yourself. I dare you.
wsherrick wrote:I had a Vermont Castings stove with a thermostat and an Ashley with a thermostat and this winter I did a side by side cost and performance comparison between my stove and a co worker who bought a Harmon Stoker. His house is similiar and his installation is similiar and he also lives in the same climate as I do. The stoker has to burn 60 to 70 pounds of coal to produce the same heat mine does with 30-40 pounds. Plus it is a loud enough contraption with all the fans and stuff on it that makes it go.
Another comparison was done with a Chubby by someone else who has a No 6 Base Heater. The Glenwood heated more area much more evenly while running at 375-400 degrees while consuming 25 to 30 pounds of coal where as the Chubby had to burn 80 pounds of coal and run at 550 to 600 degrees to get close to it over the same length of time. So there you go. By next winter the Glenwood will have its magazine restored to it and then I will run another series of tests. I know these tests are ancedotal but I have compared notes with other Glenwood owners and their results are very much the same.
I won't even mention except in passing the comparison to my neighbors that burn wood. Burning coal in a trash barrel would be more preferable to me than being a slave to a wood stove.