RETO-FIT a stove to Conserve Energy and save money

RETO-FIT a stove to Conserve Energy and save money

PostBy: tommy On: Wed Apr 13, 2011 2:07 pm

. If anyone is looking to heat more of your house with a pellet/corn or coal stove. You can now reto fit pellet stoves etc. with a boiler kit. And heat the rest of your house and demisic hot water while useing the same amount of pellets as it took to heat one room(or basment area). Evern with a gas furnace.
Here is an open forum so you may read ,what these pellet stoves are heating, with boiler kits in them . You will be impressed some are.heating upto 4000 sq. ft. with Harman PC45 (45k btu’s )and all of there demisic hot water also while using the same amount of pellets to heat the one room etc.
http://crosslinkconversions.com/forum/v ... e26c9c0c5d
My web site is http://crosslinkconversions.com/

tommy


LET ALL PUT MONEY BACK IN OUR WALLETS NOT THE OIL COMPANY'S
tommy
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Stove/Furnace Make: Harman,st croix,AE
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Re: RETO-FIT a stove to Conserve Energy and save money

PostBy: Rob R. On: Wed Apr 13, 2011 2:57 pm

Hi Tom, nice of you to join us on this forum but I think some of your claims might give people the wrong impression.

You will be impressed .heating 4000 sq. ft. with 45k btu’s and all of there demisic hot water also while using the same amount of fuel to heat one room


I agree that installing a coil in a stove can provide some hot water, but it is far from a central heating plant. If your stove is overheating one room due to heat distribution problems, a coil could be used to distribute the excess heat via baseboards or whatever...but you are still limited by the btu output of the stove, and by the size of the coil.

As for domestic hot water, there is no free lunch. Any heat going into that coil for domestic hot water is not heating the house. If the stove produces more heat than desired while maintaining a fire, a coil is a nice way to scavenge some of it...but don't expect to heat a large house and produce unlimited hot water for a family. Some people might be able to do that, but only if the heat load is light and they don't require rapid domestic hot water production.

With that said, please don't feel that I am attacking your system. I'm just pointing out that it normally takes more than a stove and a coil to heat a 4000 sq. ft house in the Northeast. Each house is different, and the heat load varies accordingly. My 3500 square foot 'camp' requires about 130,000 btu/hour to hold 72 degrees on a -20 day...I don't think I would be a happy camper if I tried to pull that off with a 45k btu/hr stove and a coil.
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Re: RETO-FIT a stove to Conserve Energy and save money

PostBy: tommy On: Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:13 pm

Sir
thank you for your comment the facts are the fact It does depend on how big the room is .I will gladly rewright my post to hopefly clearifie .the truth is being told by the people useing my kits .the forum I linked is an open forum just like this one all may use it and contact the others on it. I added a forum to my site so I would not misrepersent And be a sales man with a fork tougne .these stoves are heating 3000 sq.ft. three level homes with out even running on there higher settings .Please do not believe me.!!!!! talk to the people
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Stove/Furnace Make: Harman,st croix,AE
Stove/Furnace Model: afew


Re: RETO-FIT a stove to Conserve Energy and save money

PostBy: franco b On: Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:45 pm

tommy wrote:Please do not believe me.!


OK
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Re: RETO-FIT a stove to Conserve Energy and save money

PostBy: wlape3 On: Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:03 pm

This guy sounds like a snake oil salesman from China or elsewhere. Too many errors in spelling and a lot of errors in the heat balances.
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Re: RETO-FIT a stove to Conserve Energy and save money

PostBy: tommy On: Fri Sep 16, 2011 6:17 pm

Ya I have a lot trouble with my Grammer.Just ask the elder members On I BURN CORN .COM .
about ( tommy ). Where I first posted about my boiler kits 4 sale A few years ago. Only over 17,000 people looked at my posting and asked about my Crosslink Conversions etc .
Now I have my own web site at http://crosslinkconversions.com/
And it has it's own Forum at http://crosslinkconversions.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=3
Where others can spell and tell you about what my kits are doing for them.
Your right I said (don't believe me) and it is hard to believe that my Crosslink kits work so well.
How ever they are saving people thousands of dollars a year
Just join my FORUM and ask them for your self

tommy

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by chadhumm » April 1st, 2011, 4:44 pm

I took a trip up to Minnesota in March of 2010 to see some working heating systems using Tommy's kit. After seeing them work and how satisfied his customers were, I purchased one myself for my St. Croix Auburn stove. I am heating my domestic hot water as well as running a water to air heat exchanger in my in my forced air furnace. I used it this winter supplemeted with a pellet stove that had to use very little fuel since Tommy's kit took care of 90% of the heating of an old two story farm house in Northern Illinois. With the system set up in my basement so I have the added protection from pipes freezing. I was able to get heat throughout all parts of the house, which I couldn't have done with the corn stove alone and 'bonus', domestic hot water without paying for propane. I have saved approximately $1,000 a year on propane. This is my first heating season using the kit and I see I will have a fast return on investment

cornstove » March 16th, 2011, 4:32 pm

Hookme, I purchased a St. Croix corn/pellet stove back in 2003 because of the same issues you are having. My home is 3000 square ft 2 story. 1000 ft basement, 1000ft 1st floor & 1000ft 2nd floor. The basement was always cold. $3,000 to $4,000 in propane. I installed the cornstove in the basement figuring heat rises. Well to keep the 1st floor comfortable I had to have my basement at 80 to 85 degrees and the 3rd floor was cold. In 2008 I purchased this kit and installed it running the output of kit through my hot water heater (copper pipe through a bigger copper pipe) then out of there into a 6 gallon holding tank then to the heat exchanger. (Not sure of the lingo had a heating/air technician install it.) Now basement is 70 degrees, 1st floor 70 degrees and 2nd floor 68 degrees. You have to play with your cold air returns and heat ducts to balance house. I'm sure every house wiil be different. Before kit $600 corn/pelllets and $2,000 propane. After kit $600 corn/pellets and $500 propane. Saving $ 1,500 a year and heating hot water 24/7, not sweating in my basement and cozy warm house. We had a problem with stove and it was down for 2 days last year (needed a fan) My wife could tell the difference in the heat right away. Boy we missed it. Like I said it's been 3 years since I had it installed in my stove but just a estimate I recall It was $2,400 (payed for itself in less than 2 yrs). But I already had the stove I think I payed 1,800 for St. Croix Auburn in 2003. Crosslink Conversion Kit $1,500, Pumps 2 @ $100, 6 gallon hot water tank $200, Copper pipe approx. 80 ft, 2 aquastats (Honeywell) @ $100, Heat exchanger $200 and misc. fittings $80 most everything was purchaced at home center. (Menards, Lowes or Home Depot).
Hope this helps. By the way so far this year I'm at $1,800 in savings!!!!!!cornstove

April 9th, 2011, 8:05 am

by kirkkara » March 6th, 2011, 8:33 pm

The hot air from the stove heats our garage and the hot water heats my sons bedroom and my office which were pretty cold before. Now they are heated by Crosslinks boiler system by us adding baseboard throughout the rooms. With the stove burning the same amount of fuel that it took to just heat the garage.
Thanks Tom

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Re: Please decribe your set up and total install cost
by rona » March 17th, 2011, 2:47 pm

I think I sent you a PM on Hearth.com but wanted to keep the pm short as usually there is a word limit on pm's.
Anyway I am heating both main floor and a full basement of our ranch style home totalling 4040 square feet with a Harman PC45 located in the basement. I have been burning corn or pellets for 6 years and started with a Harman PC45 in the basement figuring heat rises and should heat the basement plus part of the upstairs. This idea cut down the fuel oil furnace bill but didn't eliminate it. I still had cold areas and needed the furnace.
I tried several ideas and ended up with a stove downstairs and one upstairs. I only used the one downstairs when it gets below zero.
When I looked at the idea of adding water heat to the stove I was very interested because I could use our existing baseboard water heating system and end up with even 70 degree heat over the whole house plus using it to heat our domestic hot water heater.
So I installed the kit into a Harman PC45 stove which is auto start and can be run either in stove temp mode or room temp mode plus it can burn up to a ton of good pellets before having to dump the ash drawer.
I eliminated my electricity use for our hotwater heater, usually only burn this stove instead of two stoves so save fuel there too, plus have nice even 70 degree heat throughout the house.
It took me a while to get everything set right but after I did it works great.
The simple truth is I doubled the heat output of the stove using the same amount of fuel plus pay nothing for domestic hot water needs during the winter.
It cost me aprox 2500 plus the stove but I got the stainless steel kits for both the heat exchanger for the hot water heater and the actual kit for the PC45. I think if you look down the road you can see where this investment will pay for itself very fast.
Earlier I made reference to the fact I have been using corn stoves for 6 years. During that time I also looked at boiler furnaces that burned corn or pellets. I passed on them because they were a lot higher priced and all of them used a lot more fuel.
The best feature is the fact that you can get twice the heat out of the same stove using the same amount of fuel.
Funny how some people like to make fun of others to make them look big.
tommy
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Harman,st croix,AE
Stove/Furnace Model: afew

Re: RETO-FIT a stove to Conserve Energy and save money

PostBy: tommy On: Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:34 pm

franco b wrote:
tommy wrote:Please do not believe me.!


OK

Believe what my kits are doing.
Check out for your selfs get on my Crosslink forum .Ask the people your ?'s your self .Go to there home . (One will be running next door to you soon ).I know there is alot of none believers,
How ever thats just because they think they know it all.We all have been Wasting energy and money for a long time now.
And the big company's love people like you.they count on your inside the box thinking. As they keep taking your money !
tommy
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Harman,st croix,AE
Stove/Furnace Model: afew

Re: RETO-FIT a stove to Conserve Energy and save money

PostBy: murphyslaw On: Fri Oct 07, 2011 11:06 pm

Its simple physics. a BTU will only heat so much.

I have a 2400sqft home. No way a 45kBtu stove with this "kit" will heat my home. My 85kBTU boiler will barely do that.

If this is all about distribution of the heat, then yet it will work. But this kit can not increase the amount of space a BTU will heat.
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Re: RETO-FIT a stove to Conserve Energy and save money

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat Oct 08, 2011 5:35 am

murphyslaw wrote:Its simple physics. a BTU will only heat so much.


Just to add to this how much heat you lose depends on the efficiency, you lose heat out of the chimney... period. The rest is going into your house in some shape or form. The only caveat here is you might extract more during idle times but you can do that with a thermosiphon loop for hot water heater.
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Re: RETO-FIT a stove to Conserve Energy and save money

PostBy: McGiever On: Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:44 am

Seen on Craigslist:
http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/app/2747139381.html
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.
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Re: RETO-FIT a stove to Conserve Energy and save money

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:57 am

Its simple physics. a BTU will only heat so much.


You are just being negative all this guy needs is Madison Ave and Bob Villa (Bob,Bob, how could you? Have you no conscience.) behind him and 1500W will heat a whole home. All he needs is a catchy name like Greenpure, or Edendirty and a good TV budget. Stupidity knows no bounds. Damn, why did I need to buy that TT load of coal????? You can actually imagine you are warm as Bob Vila says you must be or actually be warm. The second option is much more expensive.
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Re: RETO-FIT a stove to Conserve Energy and save money

PostBy: tommy On: Sat Feb 11, 2012 8:37 pm

Well thanks for your suport How ever my kits ARE heating up to 4000sq foot homes ( using only a 45k pellet/corn stove with my crosslink boiler kits reto fitted in them ) just because your system is not efficient and you have not check into how it is possable or proved to your self how it is not .And probably to stubern to even see the costerms home utube video of his working to better your understanding of how much MONEY you guys are wasting on pride Here is a link click it watch it then tell me how its not If you dare!!!!!! O YA by the WAY It is not me on the utube video I just helped him put it out on the world wide web. see my face on my web site or my posts on my forum
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6XSOkJ2 ... e=youtu.be
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Stove/Furnace Make: Harman,st croix,AE
Stove/Furnace Model: afew

Re: RETO-FIT a stove to Conserve Energy and save money

PostBy: Rob R. On: Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:22 am

Hi Tommy, I just read through this thread again and I didn't see anyone said that your product doesn't work. I think the issue is the way you are stating the capacity in "square feet". No two homes heat the same way, and I think if you simply stated the coil can recover x number of btu's per hour from a 45,000 btu/hr stove, that would leave less room for interpretation. You will have to do a controlled experiment to arrive at the actual number.
Rob R.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93
Other Heating: Dad's 1953 EFM Highboy

Re: RETO-FIT a stove to Conserve Energy and save money

PostBy: LsFarm On: Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:32 am

A btu is a btu, you can do a much better job of moving the btu's around, but you can't put your BTU's on steroids..

The whole reason there is a science to heating, with heat losses, btu inputs outputs, efficiency ratings etc.. is because with out the science
the whole 'I heat my house with xxx # of fuel," well it's mostly smoke and mirrors. And subject to personal interpretations..
For example,, a well sealed and insulated 4000sqft house in virginia is a completely different animal to heat compared to a cheap Pulte Homes McMansion in central Michigan. You'd better have some good homeowners insurance to cover the frozen pipes and water damage if you try to heat that Michigan home on 45K btu.

Run your pellet stove for a few hours, and measure the exhaust stack temps it has, then run it with your hot water recovery system.. good, you can now
do some math and figure out what you are actually recovering from your stove.

You see, with the pellet stove or any stove in a corner of the house, the opposite corners will be cold or cool. So you have devised an heat-moving system that scavenges some heat that normally goes up the chimney, and using water, transfer the heat to other parts of the house, and into the Domestic hot water system..

But if you want some respect, you need to be less like a salesman and more like a scientist.. show us some math,
Otherwise this thread goes in the same pile as the 'Amish' magic electric heaters that claim similar snake oil results that you are..

A btu is a btu, and a Horsepower is a horsepower , and a watt is a watt.. it's all science used to quantify what you are claiming..
And this forum has some VERY smart guys, who can do more with a '1960's slide rule than most people today can do with a good computer.

You want to sell savings?? figure out a way to insulate and seal old homes .. and stop the btu loss to the outdoors. Now THAT I'll
stand behind and read about.
Why" because it works.. and is scientificly repeatable.

Nice little hot water maker setup you created, and i'm sure many people are recovering more heat from their pellet stoves..
But there is no way you can make your pellet stove with a 45K btu rating into a 160K btu boiler.. sorry, there is no magic like that..

Greg L
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Re: RETO-FIT a stove to Conserve Energy and save money

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:36 am

LET ALL PUT MONEY BACK IN OUR WALLETS NOT THE OIL COMPANY'S
tommy


Tommy take a tip from me. I made a very good living as a consultant for 20 years. I never knew anything about anything but I survived on one rule, never lecture to experts so nobody ever worked out I never knew a thing. Sorry buddy but to do well on this board lecture on something that they know nothing about. That is a real challenge here as somewhere somebody seems to know about everything. I'd post on hearth.com.
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: LL AnthraKing 180K, Pocono110K,KStokr 90K, DVC
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93,
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Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut
Other Heating: Heating Oil CH, Toyotomi OM 22