WTC Fire in 1975

Re: WTC Fire in 1975

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Jun 15, 2011 4:00 pm

It is much like tree cutting, you don`t want the piece coming back at you. What you do is leave a little uncut sticker on some of the beams then you get out of the way & they will push it over with a telescoping boom. Demo is one of the most dangerous jobs since you don`t have any way of knowing how much stress is on a piece or which direction its going.
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Re: WTC Fire in 1975

PostBy: BrotherDave On: Wed Jun 15, 2011 11:25 pm

I was there during 911. I was eating a bagel and listening to music at my desk when the planes hit. The South Tower filled the windows on the north side of my building. I saw the flames coming out of the hole and saw the paper coming down like snow. My friends went to Castle Clinton/Battery Park after the first plane hit, they witnessed the second plane hitting. One of my friends remembers seeing a "Navy plane flying low up the Hudson" a half hour or so before the first plane hit. He thought that was "strange".
Some thoughts:
Where are the air traffic controller tapes?
How come PBS showed a computer simulation of the truss' collapsing, the entire outer ring of the tower falls but the 30 or so four foot I beams in the middle are still standing? The Japanese steel used to build the towers was weak, Bethlehem Steel's contract to supply the steel was overturned. Four foot steel I beams are not that strong, especially coming from Japan.
Listen to the fireman tapes, finally released a few years ago. They said the fires were out in one of the towers.
How could a group of guys in a cave with laptops tell the air defense system of the Pentagon to do nothing? It didn't have an air defense system.
Bush's approval skyrocketed after 911, just like Clinton after KC.
Which construction company was given the contract to rebuild the Marine barracks in Saudi Arabia during Desert Storm? You guessed it, bin Laden Construction. Not a friend of the Bush family, the pictures of Osama hanging with the Bush's on the beach was photoshopped.
Why release a crappy quality video of a small something hitting the Pentagon? Just like the bin Laden videos, always low quality. Video cassette cameras from the early '80's have better quality. I want to see all the videos collected from the Pentagon. Just press play.
The technology to make cell phone calls from altitude didn't exist in 2001, move along.
Marvin Bush, the third son of Father Bush, was in charge of security for WTC during 911, just a coincidence, nothing to worry about.
Since when did the American empire need a Department of Homeland Security?
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Re: WTC Fire in 1975

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:17 am

Thanks for that info Dave.

I believe reasonable people can and should ask questions like yours.
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Re: WTC Fire in 1975

PostBy: Richard S. On: Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:37 am

BrotherDave wrote:Why release a crappy quality video of a small something hitting the Pentagon? Just like the bin Laden videos, always low quality. Video cassette cameras from the early '80's have better quality.


How many times have you seen bank robbery footage or other security cameras with really high quality footage? The quality of the video is typical of any security camera, the only argument you might have about the video is there is no other angles however it's certainly possible they exist but were never released. The other thing is the Pentagon is a massive facility and the crash didn't exactly happen in an area with a lot of traffic.

Security cameras are typically low quality to save space and that even applies to older tape models. With the older VHS tape models they might record 4 to 6 camera angles per frame, VHS has a very low resolution to start with. Unless the subject is really close you wouldn't get some really good facial features. A standard video runs at 30FPS, what they might do is turn that down to maybe 1 frame per second, or even lower. They might also use SLP mode which even reduces the quality more. If you're using 1 fps in SLP mode your 2 hour VHS tape can now hold 180 hours of video from 4 different angles.

The same thing apples to digital video. High quality video takes up a lot of space. As you lower the resolution, frame rate and quality of the video you can greatly reduce the amount of storage space required to store video which would be very important if you're in place like the Pentagon which probably has thousands of cameras.

The cameras themselves are going to be low quality and usually purposely built for the task, there's no sense using high quality cam unless it's one where a live feed is being monitored because your just going to reduce the quality for storage.
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Re: WTC Fire in 1975

PostBy: grumpy On: Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:15 am

Rich, you do have a point however this is the Pentagon, I would think they would have better gear. And I would doubt they were using video tape. What ever the case there were cameras every twenty feet. It is clear they are hiding something. If not they could have ponyed up and put this to rest.
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Re: WTC Fire in 1975

PostBy: grumpy On: Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:36 am

Senior Bush administration officials sternly cautioned the 9/11 Commission against probing too deeply into the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, according to a document recently obtained by the ACLU.

The current commander-in-chief, Barack Obama, has also warned against questioning 9/11:

http://911blogger.com/news/2011-05-19/e ... building-7
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Re: WTC Fire in 1975

PostBy: grumpy On: Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:41 am

Trying to embed video, no luck.
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Re: WTC Fire in 1975

PostBy: Richard S. On: Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:21 pm

grumpy wrote:And I would doubt they were using video tape.


Kind of side discussion but tape can be digital whether it's video or just data. It's still the king in the video professional world because it's much cheaper than other storage mediums. In any event whether it's analog or digital and regardless of the medium it's stored on it's all going to be low quality because of storage issues. If you have thousands of cmaers and need to store what is recorded for days, weeks or months it's going to eat up a lot of disk space even as low quality footage.
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Re: WTC Fire in 1975

PostBy: BrotherDave On: Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:43 pm

To shut me up about the Pentagon, just show all the videos that were confiscated. Case closed.
But I have a new theory, the concrete used to build the Pentagon was special, it was made to absorb a 757 completely through osmosis, everything but a turbine wheel from an engine not used by the supposed 757. The other pieces that couldn't be absorbed by the concrete were taken away by guys in suits. Look it up, there a pics of this.
Because of 911, we are or will be shortly, involved in four wars and one kinetic military action. Eventually we will have WW3, the bankers don't know anything else. When they tank the economy they have to start a war to divert attention away from them. I know this is crazy talk.
At home we have the TSA now going through baby diapers looking for bombs. Yes, keep defending the official story of 911, don't question it. Just remember not to question it when the TSA sets up checkpoints at the end of the highway off-ramp, forces you out of your car, and then pat down/gropes you and your family. While the pat down/groping is occurring, remember 911 and it will be okay, the anger will subside. This is what the average Amercian got from 911. That's why I question the official story.
Jesse Ventura had a great quote, "I love my country, not my government."
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Re: WTC Fire in 1975

PostBy: Richard S. On: Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:56 pm

BrotherDave wrote: The other pieces that couldn't be absorbed by the concrete were taken away by guys in suits. Look it up, there a pics of this.


Like the famous blue tarp picture?

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How many plane parts do you think you could carry in that balancing it on your head as it appears the one guy is doing or carrying it with one hand?
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Re: WTC Fire in 1975

PostBy: BrotherDave On: Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:07 pm

Hi Rich,
Don't you think that's a funny picture? It must have been bodies under that tarp, not the remains of a military drone aircraft. I wonder if that was taken away before the facade fell down.

Dave
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Re: WTC Fire in 1975

PostBy: grumpy On: Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:11 pm

The facade fell down 45 minutes after "IT" happened IIRC. So no I don't think so. Dose this pix look like a crash site?

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Re: WTC Fire in 1975

PostBy: grumpy On: Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:27 pm

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Re: WTC Fire in 1975

PostBy: Richard S. On: Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:51 pm

BrotherDave wrote:Hi Rich,
Don't you think that's a funny picture? It must have been bodies under that tarp, not the remains of a military drone aircraft. I wonder if that was taken away before the facade fell down.

Dave



Who said they were carrying it away? You're making the mistake of assuming they are carrying it away. It's a collapsible tent they were carrying towards the site. ;) Here's better picture. Doesn't even appear to have a floor:

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Here's picture showing where the objects in the background are located:

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Re: WTC Fire in 1975

PostBy: Richard S. On: Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:57 pm

grumpy wrote:The facade fell down 45 minutes after "IT" happened IIRC. So no I don't think so. Dose this pix look like a crash site?


Those fire engines would be 2 stories high if they were next to the building, it isn't what you see. It's what you don't see.
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