WTC Fire in 1975

Re: WTC Fire in 1975

PostBy: grumpy On: Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:59 pm

Good find Rich, always wondered about that.
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Re: WTC Fire in 1975

PostBy: ruger1980 On: Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:16 pm

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Re: WTC Fire in 1975

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Re: WTC Fire in 1975

PostBy: grumpy On: Thu Jun 16, 2011 4:48 pm

Sorry I don't buy it. The last time a plane took out a light pole was in Dallas. The wing burst into flames and the plane crashed. Yet on 911 this happened five times and it just kept going. And the cab driver admitted he was caught up in a staged event but could not do anything. The hood of his cab unharmed ?

Watch National Security Alert then come back and argue. http://www.citizeninvestigationteam.com/nsa.html

Here is a snippet on the cab driver. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 986329305#
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Re: WTC Fire in 1975

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Jun 16, 2011 6:54 pm

Richard S. wrote:
Here's picture showing where the objects in the background are located:

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Glad you posted this. Look at the hole in the second ring. No way was that done by an engine.

And if it was the fuselage, then the engines should have either made a much larger hole in the first ring, or been sitting on the lawn just in front.

Unless you believe that the wings sheared off, the fuselage went through and SUCKED the wings with the engines attached, into the hole behind it.
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Re: WTC Fire in 1975

PostBy: grumpy On: Thu Jun 16, 2011 7:02 pm

jpete wrote:
Richard S. wrote:
Here's picture showing where the objects in the background are located:

Image


Glad you posted this. Look at the hole in the second ring. No way was that done by an engine.

And if it was the fuselage, then the engines should have either made a much larger hole in the first ring, or been sitting on the lawn just in front.

Unless you believe that the wings sheared off, the fuselage went through and SUCKED the wings with the engines attached, into the hole behind it.


You mean you don't believe that fragile air frame held itself together after the first 18 inch reenforced concrete wall and proceeded to go through five more for a total of nine feet. Sounds doable to me... :roll:
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Re: WTC Fire in 1975

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Jun 16, 2011 7:11 pm

What's the skin on a 757, slightly better than a double layer of heavy duty aluminum foil? The best foil for keeping out government mind control waves BTW. ;)

No, I don't believe it punched a perfectly round hole through several layers granite and reinforced concrete.

There appears to be at least 4 interior walls there. And it went through on an angle which is the long way and bleeds off even more energy as it goes.
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Re: WTC Fire in 1975

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:59 pm

Don`t think the building as well as most of us thought, makes no mention of granite & they were trying to keep the use of steel to a minimum. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... ntagon.htm
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Re: WTC Fire in 1975

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:12 pm

samhill wrote:Don`t think the building as well as most of us thought, makes no mention of granite & they were trying to keep the use of steel to a minimum. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... ntagon.htm


Except they reportedly rebuild this section after Oklahoma City.

http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/penta ... rable.html

American Airlines Flight 77 struck a portion of the building that had already been renovated. It was the only area of the Pentagon with a sprinkler system, and it had been reconstructed with a web of steel columns and bars to withstand bomb blasts. The steel reinforcement, bolted together to form a continuous structure through all of the Pentagon's five floors, kept that section of the building from collapsing for 30 minutes--enough time for hundreds of people to crawl out to safety.

The area struck by the plane also had blast-resistant windows--2 inches thick and 2,500 pounds each--that stayed intact during the crash and fire. It had fire doors that opened automatically and newly built exits that allowed people to get out.
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Re: WTC Fire in 1975

PostBy: grumpy On: Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:43 pm

It made no sense for that plane to come in from the other side and turn back to hit That part of the pentagon when it could have flown strait in.

I think CIT did a good job in showing that the official flight path is wrong. The witnesses did not know each other except for the cops but all described the same thing.
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Re: WTC Fire in 1975

PostBy: Richard S. On: Fri Jun 17, 2011 2:14 am

As far as the image goes I'm not going to read anything into it. The hole could have been created by a collapse such as the entire section on the front of the building. May not even be a hole but just blackened wall.


jpete wrote:Except they reportedly rebuild this section after Oklahoma City.


Actually I posted a link to the renovation, this only covers what they did on the inside walls and the date indicates a few years after the attack. On a side note this article states there was no reinforcing on the limestone perimeter wall. The original rebar was set too close to the surface so it was corroding and cracking the concrete. What they did was jackhammer back into the concrete, applied some kind of anti corrosion treatment and poured the wall back out to adequately cover the rebar. This article also states 3,500 psi for the original concrete however I read another article stating it was only 2,500. The renovation at least for the inside walls appears to only be fixing the surface areas that are cracking.

http://www.structuremag.org/article.aspx?articleID=1
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As you can see the walls don't appear to be that thick.

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Re: WTC Fire in 1975

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:52 am

The L.A. Times article references a web of steel INSIDE the building.

We're talking about two different things. I'm not talking about the facade.

They were worried about someone parking a truck full of fertilizer and diesel fuel in front and gutting the place.

All those steel columns would have cut that plane to ribbons where I doubt there'd even be an exit hole.
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Re: WTC Fire in 1975

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:57 am

It`s nice of the article to point out that the subway would be an extra vulnerable spot, why not just make a list of all the soft tarkets?
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Re: WTC Fire in 1975

PostBy: grumpy On: Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:38 am

I wish you guys would see National Security Alert, it's only an hour, It would be nice to discuss it.
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Re: WTC Fire in 1975

PostBy: grumpy On: Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:48 pm

Kill Everybody..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwwMF6biCJU


Ok now back to topic..
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