Flood Damage

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Flood Damage

PostBy: samhill On: Thu May 12, 2011 2:30 pm

Just a thought here while watching the Mississippi flood damage, should Fed dollars be used to help these towns, cities & people rebuild? If you think about it just about every year the tax payer is helping foot the bill for damage done by floods to someplace that built in a flood plain.
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Re: Flood Damage

PostBy: Richard S. On: Thu May 12, 2011 2:45 pm

I really don't pity the people that have built new houses but if you take my area for example the houses are 100's of years old in communities that could be 200 years old. Early communities were all built near water. It's not that some idiot built in a flood plane, someone built that house many , many years ago out of necessity. There's going to be similar areas in across the whole country. Here's just Kingston and Wilkes Barre in the Wyoming Valley, you can pan up the river or down for many miles and it's still all houses, business's etc.


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Re: Flood Damage

PostBy: samhill On: Thu May 12, 2011 3:23 pm

Theres a difference between rebuilding in the same spot without taking into consideration of what destroyed the buildings, many of these places keep encroaching more & more on the rivers & think a higher flood wall will keep them safe. Nature put in these low areas just for floods & you aren`t going to stop nature. I know there is at least one city that finally relocated to higher grounds just for that reason. New Orleans is largely built below water level but the older (burbon St. area is on higher ground, instead of building closer to the water they should have gone the other way. If your in a flood area then you should have flood insurance, just how many times do you have to try the same thing & still for some reason expect different results?
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Re: Flood Damage

PostBy: jpete On: Thu May 12, 2011 3:41 pm

The Indians didn't build their houses near the water for a reason. Just like there is a reason why the tsunami stones in Japan say "Don't build beyond this point!"

Everyone thinks they are smarter than Mother Nature and sometimes they live long enough to find out how wrong they are.

No, Federal money should not be used to rebuild anything. That's what flood insurance is for. Unfortunately, flood insurance is Federally subsidized, so even if no Federal dollars go to rebuild, there will still be Federal dollars going to rebuild!
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Re: Flood Damage

PostBy: freetown fred On: Thu May 12, 2011 3:50 pm

Yes, I agree that my tax money should not be spent on someone's stupidity. Jeff, the Natives surely did build their villages along water ways for obvious reasons-I'm talking about the Woodland tribes, not the Plains tribes---difference being--they didn't sit & watch the water ways come to flood level--they packed up & headed for the hills--probably a 2 hr (max) job to move an entire village---I also have little sympathy for people being foolish ;)
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Re: Flood Damage

PostBy: jpete On: Thu May 12, 2011 4:08 pm

Well, at least around here, the Indians had "summer homes" and "winter homes" for obvious reasons. The point is, they knew the potential for disaster.

And "civilization" has only increase that chance due to massive areas filled in or covered with asphalt which formerly absorbed overflow from the waterways.

I live near the water only because this is where my father chose to build a house. As soon as possible, I'm out of here because I know that in 1954, there was about 10 feet of water where I'm sitting right now.

And flood insurance is more than my homeowners insurance so I don't have it.
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Re: Flood Damage

PostBy: freetown fred On: Thu May 12, 2011 4:58 pm

54??? was that hurricaine Hazel??--beat the east coast to tears :(--Jeff, I agree w/ you--just making a point about way back when ;)
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Re: Flood Damage

PostBy: jpete On: Fri May 13, 2011 10:36 am

'54 was Carol. My father got back from his 2 weeks of ANG training in Cheyenne WY the day after it hit. Said it was quite a mess.
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Re: Flood Damage

PostBy: freetown fred On: Fri May 13, 2011 12:46 pm

Hazel was also in 54--we were Boy Scouts camping on Treasure Island on the Delaware River--they had to send choppers to airlift us out--that was cool--I was a Cub Scout & my Father was a Scout Master--he took me along with his Boy scout troop---Troop 2,Cheltenham, Penna.--Our house on Long Beach Island, NJ got moved from the ocean side to IN the bay-- :( Mother Nature can be a real bitch when she puts her mind to it-----we rebuilt--nobody's tax money pd for it
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Re: Flood Damage

PostBy: jpete On: Fri May 13, 2011 10:12 pm

freetown fred wrote:Hazel was also in 54--we were Boy Scouts camping on Treasure Island on the Delaware River--they had to send choppers to airlift us out--that was cool--I was a Cub Scout & my Father was a Scout Master--he took me along with his Boy scout troop---Troop 2,Cheltenham, Penna.--Our house on Long Beach Island, NJ got moved from the ocean side to IN the bay-- :( Mother Nature can be a real bitch when she puts her mind to it-----we rebuilt--nobody's tax money pd for it


Now that I think of it, Hazel might have been about 2 weeks after Carol. It wasn't much of a storm by the time it got up here.
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Re: Flood Damage

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:20 am

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Re: Flood Damage

PostBy: Cyber36 On: Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:30 pm

Or Donna - first hurricane to impact the ENTIRE east coast from Fla. to MA.............
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