Let's Review Obamacare Again

From what I`ve read they are taking a very lax approach IMO, refraining from any harsh collecting or liens on property, then again they can simply withold any tax refund that someone may have coming. I can`t understand how so much information that is totally wrong can be spread, & its being done by people like the house leader & presidential candidates, they quietly retract statement made publicly after the fact. IMO there should be an equal penalty for knowingly lie to your constituents as there is for lying before congress, if they claim that they didn`t know then they aren`t doing their job, if you don`t know something that you should then keep your mouth shut.
There is a bit more info on enforcement in this link as well as other points that can all be looked up in the bill http://www.opencongress.org/articles/view/1784-Ar ... -Insurance

They can try to take my tax refund. It isn't going to get them far. I arrange my affairs so I get $1000 or less. One year. I paid $75 Federal and $25 state and would be happy to be able to do that every year.

But taking your refund is still a lien and they said no liens. Why would you believe obvious liars like that?

And this is just a load of crap.

Linda Douglass, the Communications Director at the White House Office of Health Reform is also joining the pushback and scolds those who have spread misinformation in this debate:

What’s clear from all of this is that there are people who refuse to have a debate on the merits of health care reform. Maybe that’s because these ardent defenders of the status quo are worried about the consequences of stopping at nothing to deny the American people quality and affordable health insurance.

She goes from "health care" to "health insurance". Not the same things. The status quo got that way because of the 1973 HMO Act. Congress is the REASON people can't afford health insurance. Ted Kennedy and Richard Nixon get the credit/blame for that.

If they wanted to fix the mess they created, repeal that law and a few others. Don't make new ones.

Again, it's BS forced altruism using the iron fist of government. If YOU want people to have health insurance, I suggest you pony up. I really don't care if they do or not. Don't steal from me to pay someone else's bills.

The HMO act didn`t do anything, if people were gullible enough to think that they were going to get equal care for a lot less & jumped into it so be it, nobody made them. Health Ins. was pretty reasonable back then, the HMOs let you know up front that you wouldn`t be seeing the same docs every time as I recall. All the Gov. did was to allow another choice when the big boys had everyone else locked out. We are getting back to that in some areas, the Pittsburgh area will most likely be a one H.C. & possibly H.I. provider as well. They are still doing the same thing, when you sign up the rates & service look pretty good but it doesn`t last long. If you want the answers to all your questions just read the Bill, its all there on line for free, if you just want to complain then your doing just fine.

samhill wrote:Health Ins. was pretty reasonable back then, the HMOs let you know up front that you wouldn`t be seeing the same docs every time as I recall. All the Gov. did was to allow another choice when the big boys had everyone else locked out..

Au contraire mon frere. The 73 HMO Act REQUIRED] companies to offer HMO plans if they offered traditional insurance. That's a big difference from "allowed".

And that's the problem. Government tries to "fix" thing by passing a law and it ends up screwing everything up.

You said yourself that health insurance was reasonably priced back then. Why then the need to force people to do something?

Now insurance is barely affordable, and the government "fix" is to force EVERYONE to buy it and if they can't, then force everyone ELSE to provide it for them.

samhill wrote:. If you want the answers to all your questions just read the Bill, its all there on line for free, if you just want to complain then your doing just fine.

It doesn't matter what the answers are. The point is, there shouldn't be a government "solution".

I don't care if they give me an ice cream cone and a kitten. I don't want what they are selling.

And if you can read several hundred pages of any bill in Congress, you're a better man than I. And most of Congress as it turns out. I tried it with the PATRIOT Act. There is only so many times you can read "In CFR 35.1.7(a) change "shall" to "may"" and then you have to go look up what that law is, to see what effect the stated change makes.

I know what you mean about reading both the Patriot Act & the H.C. along with most others after they get done with them but there are some sites that will break it down & if you ask the question will tell you what page, clause or whatever your answer may be. The info is out there, the point is when a member of either house or either party comes out with a blatant lie to mislead & in some cases infuriate people there should be a penalty for it.
With the HBO thing, the big boys were blocking the HBOs from even being able to offer their package to many markets. The Gov. made it possible for another choice to be available, did not force anyone to signup for it just gave another option to what was fast becoming a shared monopoly much like we have now except even that is falling apart because the big boys all want a bigger share. Instead of perhaps offering a lower price (no longer even considered in business) they attempt to do hostile takeovers & buyouts to become bigger. Ones like mine UPMC has even expanded overseas, & now I just saw where they are putting some type of office in Linesville, a small town with one doctor that doesn`t have enough business to be open everyday. So I think UPMC & others know its coming & are placing themselves to be able to get the people that never had H.C. I. before.

Lisa, You say the Health Care Bill Is based on fradulent information and outright lies. Would you elaborate on that pleses because I don't know of what lies and fradulent information you speak
And please include the unbiased proof for what you reply.

Rick

I'm pretty sure you wouldn't believe any source unless it came from the Lord, Himself so why waste time even asking the question?

You believe what you want to believe. Lisa will do the same, and we'll all find out around 2014 and after.

Your absolutely right Jpete, some who will not read & research for themselves but would rather take the word of others that have a vested interest most likely would not even believe the lord.

That's the thing. How do you cite an "unbiased" source. Everyone has bias. Blackrocks is biased, just to the opposite side as Lisa.

You can read the bill in its entirety a bit at a time or simply skim thorugh to find the answer to the question you may have, it ain`t easy but it is free out there for the world to read in black & white. You don`t need back up links because you are at the source. There are some sites that I have run across that give answers to the frequenty asked questions & tell you exactly where its at in the bill.

samhill wrote:There are some sites that I have run across that give answers to the frequenty asked questions & tell you exactly where its at in the bill.

How do you know those sites aren't biased?

And like I said, unless you have a boat load of time, or the entire CFR at your disposal, the average person can't read one of these bills and know what it means.

Well, the model system is working swimmingly as all the liberals have predicted. I should never have doubted the o-so-wise left! They have all the answers! I really am stupid!

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The true terrorists in this country are not the Muslim extremists but the far left with their own version of Sharia law.