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Post by coalnewbie » Tue. Jun. 21, 2011 3:40 am

Let me get this straight . . . ...

We're going to be "gifted" with a health care plan we are forced to purchase and fined if we don't, Which purportedly covers at least ten million more people, without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents,written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that didn't read it, but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a President who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, for which we'll be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect, by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke.


 
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Post by Berlin » Tue. Jun. 21, 2011 3:53 am

pretty much...

 
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Post by SMITTY » Tue. Jun. 21, 2011 5:05 am

I just paid $700 to the state of MA for the wife & I not having insurance for all of '10. In the memo section of the check I wrote UNCONSTITUTIONAL HEALTH CARE TAX. :mad: :sick:

Ask any lib & they'll tell you how wonderful it is. What they fail to tell you is that MA is something like 50 BILLION in debt, & rising. It encourages you not to work! Why bother? Just loaf around. Get food stamps, heating assistance, cell phone assistance, car payment assistance, welfare, etc etc and pay like $50 a month for healthcare. Rumor has it that the $50 has just dropped to $30!! Yet the state is still buried in debt!!

Ahh the ways of liberalism ...... :confused:

 
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Post by lowfog01 » Tue. Jun. 21, 2011 5:23 am

Yep, ...100% correct and very succinctly said. Lisa

 
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Post by stovepipemike » Tue. Jun. 21, 2011 8:19 am

I know someone that has just began to see the effects of ocare.He said they are extracting $37.50/week right off the top of the paycheck. I am the first to admit that I do not fully understand ocare. I do however understand $37.50 times 52 weeks equals $1,950.00 a year and what that means to a family who are presently just getting by. Mike

 
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Post by samhill » Tue. Jun. 21, 2011 8:34 am

I also don`t fully understand the O-care as its being called but I know very little if any is currently in effect, so if repealed lets review the conservative H.C. proposal. : :down: :secret: :bop: :oops2: :yearight: That being done maybe some parts should just be fixed.
If you remember before the election both sides wanted change in H.C. & both (believe it or not) made some changes. Now soon it will be only the upper class, Gov. employees & the poor that will have H.C., all the long term unemployed have already run out. It`s only going to get worse if we go back to what we had IMO.

 
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Post by jpete » Tue. Jun. 21, 2011 4:03 pm

samhill wrote:I also don`t fully understand the O-care as its being called but I know very little if any is currently in effect, so if repealed lets review the conservative H.C. proposal. : :down: :secret: :bop: :oops2: :yearight: That being done maybe some parts should just be fixed.
If you remember before the election both sides wanted change in H.C. & both (believe it or not) made some changes. Now soon it will be only the upper class, Gov. employees & the poor that will have H.C., all the long term unemployed have already run out. It`s only going to get worse if we go back to what we had IMO.
Why is health insurance the only type of insurance you CAN'T buy across state lines? Why do they regulate everything from the water in your toilet to the alcohol in your blood under the "Commerce Clause" yet leave health insurance to the states?

If you could pay $100+- to a private company without the government involved would you do it?

http://qliance.com/faq/

I'd like to buy this insurance, but the government prevents me from buying a product I want, yet feels it's OK to FORCE me to purchase a product I don't want.

Nobody in D.C. wants to change anything about anything. Certainly not health insurance. There's no money for them in allowing the market to find a solution. It takes away their power.

And specifically on Obamacare, if it's so great, why all the exemptions?


 
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Post by MURDOC1 » Tue. Jun. 21, 2011 4:38 pm

While really I know nothing about O-care, only what I hear, and that is nonsense at best as far as I'm concerned, I am at least concerned about what changes are in store for me if anything... Now, I am just a working man, drive tractor trailer 6 nights a week, make a good living, and am very satisfied with the health insurance I already have... Truly, I wouldn't want to see anything change on my end and I pay $ 3000.00 annualy plus a per pay premium for my high deductable HSA... I at least know what I have now and I like it that way, hey, I work, I can pay for my insurance, no problem with that, but, would I like to pay less for less, NO!!! Now I haven't been to a doctor in about 8 years other than the required D.O.T. physical and occational random drug test as instructed by my employer, neither cost me a dime, company pays for these... So, every year that goes by without a doctor visit means that $ 3000.00 goes untouched and can be rolled over to the next year to satisfy the $ 2500.00 single max out of pocket deductable or yet another $ 3000.00 can be contributed to the account, but that is MY money in a bank account with MY name on it... Some call it a healthcare IRA and I see why... Makes sense to me and for me, but man, I just hope nothing changes with this setup come time for O-care!!! I'll be one pissed off Mo-Fo...

 
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Post by lowfog01 » Tue. Jun. 21, 2011 5:01 pm

samhill wrote:I also don`t fully understand the O-care as its being called but I know very little if any is currently in effect, so if repealed lets review the conservative H.C. proposal. : :down: :secret: :bop: :oops2: :yearight:


What's your point here? The House of Representatives presented several good ideas on improving access to health care. If you don't know of them it's not because they aren't out there, it's because you"re not reading or listening to anything not suggested by the libs. You say "I also don't fully understand the O-care as its being called" but what have you read that would clear it up for you? I provided the title of a book, "Why Obamacare is Wrong for America." Did you read it or did you ignore it because it was written by - big scary alert warning - Conservative authors? I don't care who it was written by, it presents facts as to why this law is going to screw all Americans over. Ignoring these facts because who writes about them won't make them go away. Read the book, find out what's in the law and then prove me and them wrong! It's that simple.
samhill wrote:That being done maybe some parts should just be fixed.
What parts are that, Sam? You've already admitted you don't fully understand the law so what parts do you think are acceptable. Maybe the part that forces law abiding citizens of this country to buy something they have no desire to have to the tune of thousands of dollars. Or maybe the part that organizes "death panels" to determine who amongst us are worthy of what type of life saving procedures - how much will you give back to society if they approve the procedure? What is the value of your existence? Or maybe the part that Obama assured us would allow us to keep our doctors if we wanted to? It turns out that's just another of Obama's lies. Did you see the McKenzie report from last week that showed 32% of employers plan to dump their company health plans because it's cheaper to pay the fine and put folks in the government run pools? Do you think it's going to end at 32% of employers? Give me a break. Hey I did see that Obama has called an end to the Waivers his administration is granting for Obamacare. I hope you get your paper work in before SEP, oh wait, you didn't contribute big bucks to his election either. Sorry, I guess you'll join me in line waiting to see a doctor since the AMA has warned about the shortage of medical care professionals that will worsen under Obamacare.
samhill wrote: If you remember before the election both sides wanted change in H.C. & both (believe it or not) made some changes.
I'm sorry, Sam I don't remember that. When did you say the Republicans were given the chance to insert their ideas and "changes" to the Obamacare bill? Was it when they arrived for the committee meeting prior to the vote only to discover the lock on the door had been changed. Or perhaps it was at the meeting in the Blair House during which Obama said, "I won the election, get over it." Or perhaps it was after the final vote when 100% of Republicans voted no because they had not been allowed any input. Just when was it they were given the opportunity to add any thing to this bill?
samhill wrote:Now soon it will be only the upper class, Gov. employees & the poor that will have H.C., all the long term unemployed have already run out.
And you are saying this is whose fault? I refer you to Coalnewbies first posting. Just who stuffed this unconstitutional pile of dog mess down the American people's throat with not a single Republican vote yes.
samhill wrote:It`s only going to get worse if we go back to what we had IMO.
Sam, what was so bad about what we had? Everyone in this country, rich or poor, had access to emergency medical care. Did it have problems, yes, no doubt? Were there things that could have been done to make the system better without completely destroying the amazing health care we had. Yes, that list has been discussed on other posts so I won't go into it again. I suggest you do so some further research and then prove me wrong. Lisa

 
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Post by jpete » Tue. Jun. 21, 2011 5:05 pm

MURDOC1 wrote: Makes sense to me and for me, but man, I just hope nothing changes with this setup come time for O-care!!! I'll be one pissed off Mo-Fo...
I have heard that Obamacare will do away with HSA's. I was looking to get into one at my last employer but held off when I heard that.

 
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Post by lowfog01 » Tue. Jun. 21, 2011 5:19 pm

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MURDOC1 wrote: Makes sense to me and for me, but man, I just hope nothing changes with this setup come time for O-care!!! I'll be one *censored* off Mo-Fo...
I have heard that Obamacare will do away with HSA's. I was looking to get into one at my last employer but held off when I heard that.
I tell you guys, stop wondering what's in the Law! If you don't like the facts as displayed in the book I suggested, get busy and read the actual law. It's readily available on the internet and just waiting for you. No, bias, just undisputed facts. Obamacare is already impacting HSAs. You can no longer use that money for many over the counter drugs and other medical needs. That means you have to go to the doctor, pay the visit co-pay and get a prescription for the over the counter product and then you can use the HSA to pay for it. That's some money saving change alright! Lisa

 
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Post by jpete » Tue. Jun. 21, 2011 5:28 pm

I know that's the rule with FSA's. Since I opted not to go with the HSA, I didn't look into it that closely.

I went through hell trying to follow all the rules with the FSA. It's almost not worth it.

 
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Post by MURDOC1 » Tue. Jun. 21, 2011 5:30 pm

jpete wrote:I have heard that Obamacare will do away with HSA's. I was looking to get into one at my last employer but held off when I heard that.
Well, that's exactly my concern, you nailed it... The way I see it, why fix something that isn't broken... And with that I am of course only speaking for myself and what 'works' for me... The sad state of affairs in this counry makes me sick, these bums that don't want to work when they are perfectly able to, instead just sit around and bitch about how they are not being 'handed' sufficient assistance, give us more more more... Hey man, the way I see it there is a seat for every ass, whether that means working at McDonalds to make a buck or having a few different part time jobs to get by... Is it easy being broke, HELL NO, been there, still there time to time, but damnit, people need to learn to suck it up and get on with themselves, tough times will always exist even in the best of times, bitching about how there are no jobs to be had when one never takes the time to even look is nonsense and has become such a common response amongst the entitled class of filth... Hell, my dad retired last summer from his job in sales making a great living, he then took off for about a month, then started filling out job applications for part time employment... He now has 2 part time jobs and works 7 days a week between the two, not to mention has been offered several other jobs in his now 1 year retired... So the jobs only pay $ 7.50 per/hr each, he uses the money to help pay for his insurance among other things... Retired? Doesn't that mean that you don't need to work? I think not and never have thought that, could dad sit around jobless? Barely but yes, however he choses to do the respnsible thing and work to produce income to pay for supplemental insurance... Does he mind?? Not one bit... Again, I just sure hope nothing changes for me as a result of this BIGG-LIPPED beast's agenda!!!

 
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Post by MURDOC1 » Tue. Jun. 21, 2011 5:40 pm

lowfog01 wrote:I tell you guys, stop wondering what's in the Law! If you don't like the facts as displayed in the book I suggested, get busy and read the actual law. It's readily available on the internet and just waiting for you.
Lisa, I know you're right in saying this, it is in fact what every single American should do, read the darn thing to be sure what's really going on, again, I know you're right about this... But I just have to ask why??? Why do we even have to go through this, dedicate time to reading this thing, hell I fall asleep in 2 seconds flat trying to read a book, I'm not so sure I could tackle all that and actually retain it or even understand it at all... Hell, Pelosi hasn't even read the darn thing, she'll worry about that at a later date...

 
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Post by lowfog01 » Tue. Jun. 21, 2011 6:36 pm

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lowfog01 wrote:I tell you guys, stop wondering what's in the Law! If you don't like the facts as displayed in the book I suggested, get busy and read the actual law. It's readily available on the internet and just waiting for you.
Lisa, I know you're right in saying this, it is in fact what every single American should do, read the darn thing to be sure what's really going on, again, I know you're right about this... But I just have to ask why??? Why do we even have to go through this, dedicate time to reading this thing, hell I fall asleep in 2 seconds flat trying to read a book, I'm not so sure I could tackle all that and actually retain it or even understand it at all... Hell, Pelosi hasn't even read the darn thing, she'll worry about that at a later date...
That's just what they are counting on and for too long too many of us have been willing to let them do as they will. No, more. The book I mentioned is an easy read, well documented and presents facts, even if those facts are from Conservative authors. It's cheap, too, so everyone can get a copy. Thomas Paine did the same thing with "Common Sense" and he changed the world. He was busy, too. Hell, we all are. We have to make time to be educated and heard. Facts don't change, they can be repeated with the same outcome time and time again no matter who spins them. It's going to take a well informed population to turn this country back to it's founding principles. Ignorance is not bliss in this situation. If you don't have time to read a book, start visiting a variety of websites, liberal and conservative, and pick up facts as you go. That will only take a minute at a time. The BS is easy to rule out. We can regain control of this country but it will take an effort. Take care, Lisa


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