The Castle Doctrine comes to PA

Re: The Castle Doctrine comes to PA

PostBy: DieselBob On: Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:33 pm

We have the “Chicken Little” doctrine here in the Peoples Republic of Maryland. You must retreat. Then retreat again. Then retreat some more and if the bad guy hurts himself having to chase you because you keep retreating you will be libel for damages. :cry:
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Re: The Castle Doctrine comes to PA

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:26 am

Maybe there is something in the water in the Pittsburgh area. http://www.wtae.com/news/local/alleghen ... olute=true
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Re: The Castle Doctrine comes to PA

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:39 am

Sam I'm not commenting specifically on that case you linked too but if you want to spread the blame for the misunderstanding of what the Castle Doctrine and SYG laws represent let's lay the blame squarely where it belongs. That would be the media and the anti gun zealots who clearly have presented it as being a wild west law. Every time someone is shot becsue someone thinks they can just shoot someone for any reason the blood is on their hands.
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Re: The Castle Doctrine comes to PA

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Aug 18, 2013 11:22 am

Not trying to blame any law at all Richard, people are ultimately responsible for what they do & that includes learning & understanding what they(or more likely their lawyers) choose to defend their actions. This latest one (if true) sounds like a total misunderstanding & over reaction & not being all that far from the other one I posted except there they arrested the old man & here they just let this guy walk so perhaps the local police as well don't have a good grasp of the law.
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Re: The Castle Doctrine comes to PA

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Aug 18, 2013 11:33 am

I wonder how well the Castle Law would hold up in the case where at 2:00 AM a group of Swat Team thugs break down the door of the "wrong home" (which seems to be a rather frequent occurrence) and get shot at in the process by the homes innocent owner(s) who are merely defending their castle?
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Re: The Castle Doctrine comes to PA

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sun Aug 18, 2013 11:43 am

lsayre wrote:I wonder how well the Castle Law would hold up in the case where at 2:00 AM a group of Swat Team thugs break down the door of the "wrong home" (which seems to be a rather frequent occurrence) and get shot at in the process by the homes innocent owner(s) who are merely defending their castle?


Larry in Indiana you walk. That should be the law everywhere too. Anyone can yell "cops open your door".... Ultimately the bust down the door tactics need to stop and the cops are certainly going to think twice about using such tactics. You can certainly bet the cops in Indiana are double and triple checking addresses.

http://theweek.com/article/index/229167 ... shoot-cops
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Re: The Castle Doctrine comes to PA

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Aug 18, 2013 11:48 am

Richard S. wrote:Larry in Indiana you walk. That should be the law everywhere too. Anyone can yell "cops open your door".... Ultimately the bust down the door tactics need to stop and the cops are certainly going to think twice about using such tactics. You can certainly bet the cops in Indiana are double and triple checking addresses.

http://theweek.com/article/index/229167 ... shoot-cops


There is hope! Thanks for the link!!!
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Re: The Castle Doctrine comes to PA

PostBy: nortcan On: Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:53 am

Same thing here in Québec: don't touch these brave bandits wanting to rob you. Get hurt, rob...and after call 911 and wait :mad:
Laws seem to protect the bad guys much more than the honest ones. 100% and more for the Castle Doctrine.
And about the SWAT guys, the same law also applies for them, if they do their job correctly they will find the right home. If they make a mistake on the address and invade the place, that would be their mistake!
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Re: The Castle Doctrine comes to PA

PostBy: KLook On: Mon Aug 19, 2013 8:23 am

And about the SWAT guys, the same law also applies for them, if they do their job correctly they will find the right home. If they make a mistake on the address and invade the place, that would be their mistake!


As to that, I am relatively well armed. But in the event of a SWAT team breaking into my house in full gear at 2 A.M. I am quite sure I would lose the fight. I only have a handgun or 2 in my bedroom and waking up to your door being smashed in still does not get you to full awareness and battle ready quick enough. Even with my "assault rifle" I would be at a huge disadvantage and probably killed. I agree that the tactic needs to stop.

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Re: The Castle Doctrine comes to PA

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Aug 19, 2013 8:29 am

Oddly enough Klook I was thinking along the same line, we would not only lose but with some of these trigger happys they would more than likely shoot everything in the house moving or not. This day & age there is just no excuse for getting the wrong address.
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Re: The Castle Doctrine comes to PA

PostBy: franco b On: Mon Aug 19, 2013 11:27 am

Just what we need, a pack of juiced up half wits smashing down doors. They don't come cheap either.

I remember several cases where they just about totally trashed the house tearing the walls apart. Oops, wrong house, sorry about the dog, but your Yorkie was vicious.

G. Gordon Liddy lost several of his radio outlets when he recommended going for a head shot with these morons.
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Re: The Castle Doctrine comes to PA

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Aug 19, 2013 11:42 am

The smash down the door tactics need to end. Granted there may be some rare circumstances this should be done if they know they person is armed and going to start shooting but most of the time it's for preservation of evidence. If you don't have enough evidence for conviction before smashing someones door down you shouldn't be doing it to begin with.
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Re: The Castle Doctrine comes to PA

PostBy: nortcan On: Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:25 pm

klook, at 4 in the morning, if the front door is suddently smashed away, SWAT or bandits, will you have time to discuss with these guests?
Yes we all know that if a gun fight starts with a SWAT team, we don't have too much chance and won't be back on the forum soon.
Just hoping that it won't happen to a forum member and anyone else :o
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