Goodbye Old Friend ~ power washer

Goodbye Old Friend ~ power washer

PostBy: Dann757 On: Thu Aug 04, 2011 1:41 pm

My Northeast brand power washer suffered a catastrophic failure today. Right in the middle of cleaning a redwood deck. I guess it doesn't owe me anything after 20 years of faithful service. I don't think that small company is in business anymore. The socket cap screw that holds the pump together failed- metal fatigue. This allowed the housing to open up at an angle, and the ceramic pistons destroyed themselves. Sux!!!
The 8hp Honda motor is fine, but I have no idea how to find a matching pump replacement. I see a few on Northerntool.com.
Any idea if this machine is totalled, or is there a way or a place that might have a replacement pump? It's an 8hp Honda engine and the three piston pump was 300 psi at 3gpm.
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Re: Goodbye Old Friend ~ power washer

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Thu Aug 04, 2011 2:22 pm

That's a Cat pump, if you need parts PM me with the model # and I'll look into it.
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Re: Goodbye Old Friend ~ power washer

PostBy: AA130FIREMAN On: Thu Aug 04, 2011 3:34 pm

That looks like the same pump that I have, it's a Cat, and says the pump with 9 lives, so you just used 1, I would bet it would be repairable. Never had any trouble with mine, I don't let it run more than a minute without squeasing the trigger, the water gets hot. Anything is repairable if you have the ambition.
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Re: Goodbye Old Friend ~ power washer

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Thu Aug 04, 2011 4:03 pm

The big box store pressure washers have non-servicable pumps on them now, since that's an older unit it can be repaired, as long as Cat still supplies the parts, otherwise the pump can be replaced with the current model at a reasonable cost.
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Re: Goodbye Old Friend ~ power washer

PostBy: AA130FIREMAN On: Thu Aug 04, 2011 4:14 pm

I found an older stihl brush cutter after a flood someone put out for trash, asked if I could have it, they said yes, they took it to a stihl dealer that told them it was unrepairable, too old for parts. I took it home, drained the water from the cylinder (hydralocked) fresh gas and running in less than 10 minutes. Found it needed new clutch shoes that were not available, called an mennonite farm equip dealer that had some NOS. You never know what you can find unless you try, might the ceramic pistons be used in some other brand of pump ???
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Re: Goodbye Old Friend ~ power washer

PostBy: Dann757 On: Thu Aug 04, 2011 5:24 pm

Thanks guys. I found the manuals, but still can't find a model # on the pump. All it says in the manual is "Triplex Plunger Pump" .
I see what parts I need! I think I can do it with parts 25-34 and 37-41. If it's the same setup. It looks like portotechnica/Northeast Power Washers might be defunct.
I remember going to Midland Park NJ years ago to get parts. It was a pretty small factory!
I see numbers on the pump, but they seem like individual part numbers for the pieces. The main casting has # 46079 on it. Which differs from the manual which calls it 44221.
The gears are fine, any more help in locating this pump or parts greatly appreciated!!!

EDIT: FOUND A # ON THE PUMP CASE : JAPAN 9920118
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Re: Goodbye Old Friend ~ power washer

PostBy: mozz On: Thu Aug 04, 2011 8:54 pm

When i was buying jetter nozzles for my fairly newer pressure washer, i found a website that had pumps, for the life of me i can't think of the name. This one sells cat pump parts.
http://www.pressureparts.com/PumpKits-P ... egory.aspx
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Re: Goodbye Old Friend ~ power washer

PostBy: SMITTY On: Fri Aug 05, 2011 8:30 am

I've had a pressure washer sitting here for 8 years due to a failed pump. Can't recall the brand - my ol' man bought it at Home Depot in the late 90's. Haven't fixed it because the pump was so expensive. Looks like I'll have to get the p/n off it & rebuild it. 8-)
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Re: Goodbye Old Friend ~ power washer

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Fri Aug 05, 2011 8:41 am

Most of the units the HD sells have non-rebuildable pumps, there's a company that sells a replacement pump for mass-market pressure washers for around $130 or so. I have there name around here somewhere, if you want the info let me know and I'll look for it.
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Re: Goodbye Old Friend ~ power washer

PostBy: SMITTY On: Fri Aug 05, 2011 8:46 am

Yeah I like that price better than $330. ;) It's a Comet pump - I have to get the model # ......
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Re: Goodbye Old Friend ~ power washer

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Fri Aug 05, 2011 9:15 am

If it's a Comet pump then it predates the "throw away" pump, it can be repaired. PM the model # and what you need and I'll look into it.
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Re: Goodbye Old Friend ~ power washer

PostBy: SMITTY On: Fri Aug 05, 2011 9:19 am

Thanks man! I'm in the process of digging for it .... almost there ... :lol:
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Re: Goodbye Old Friend ~ power washer

PostBy: Dann757 On: Fri Aug 05, 2011 4:12 pm

Jessica at EDI was very helpful. This is a bear but I'm gaining on it I hope. The Honda GX 240 (8hp) engine has a gearbox in between it and the Cat pump. The pump seems similar to a Cat 310. Jessica was astounded that they would put this pump on a power washer since she felt it is a car wash pump. My busted pump is apparently 2500 psi and 4gpm.
I see these pumps are pricey. The old manual sings the praises of this gearbox and I agree. The problem is, I guess, I have to find a pump with an input shaft of 20mm, seal shoulder of 25 mm, that extends 45mm past the case, with 4 mounting holes 53mm on center. And the mounting surface diameter is 88mm ( imagine an old German 88 round comin at ya...)
My manual has the schematic as shown, but the numbers are apparently irrelevant.
I gotta do some more homework, Jessica sent me a pdf of the Cat 310 pump, I'll have to figure out what parts I need. This could get mad pricey too. I looked around briefly, just one little ceramic plunger is like $80.00.

As you can see, I had to split the gearbox to take the pump off. Engine crankshaft ends with the little gear in the one half, and the big gear is mounted on the input shaft to the pump. Will definitely consider a cheaper pump if there's a match for this situation. It would be easier to get the parts as far as everything going back together matched up. The Cat pump is a serious good quality unit.

Thanks for all the help and motivation so far!
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Re: Goodbye Old Friend ~ power washer

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Fri Aug 05, 2011 6:33 pm

E-mail Jess the photos or send her the link to this thread. The current "throw-away" pumps are no where near what that Cat pump is. That's why you can buy them so cheap at the big box stores. BTW after my one and only attempt at fixing one of the "throw-aways" I don't work on them anymore.
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Re: Goodbye Old Friend ~ power washer

PostBy: Freddy On: Fri Aug 05, 2011 7:50 pm

This leads us to the question.... if you were looking to buy a new one, what would you buy?
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