Floor registers with Fan

Floor registers with Fan

PostBy: bridge1016 On: Thu Aug 04, 2011 10:25 pm

I currently have a HyfireII installed in my basement, I seem to be having a issue moving air in my house, currently when i am burning my stove in the winter i leave the basement door open to move the heat upstairs but it seems some rooms are obviously colder than others. When i close the basement door and and rely on the floor registers it seems that i am not really getting much heat upstairs. My question would be if i installed floor registers with fans to pull the heat up would this help???? i was going to set two fans pulling heat up on on one side of the house and on the other side of the house have the fans blowing air down to hopefully recurculate the cold air, has anyone done this or does anyone have any advice????
bridge1016
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Leisure Line
Stove/Furnace Model: HYFIRE II

Re: Floor registers with Fan

PostBy: jim d On: Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:39 pm

i'll give you my opinion but i'm sure some one will tell you just the opposite.if your stairs are in the center of the house you would need returns in the opposite ends of your home, in other words 3 holes 1@end and one in the middle this should work with natural convection the hot air will rise and the cold air will drop tru tHE returns
jim d
 
Stove/Furnace Make: alaska//coaljck
Stove/Furnace Model: liberty// cj3

Re: Floor registers with Fan

PostBy: Richard S. On: Fri Aug 05, 2011 4:29 am

As suggested you need a cold air return, for example you might have some registers above your stove. At a farther end of the house you would have another register ducted back to the stove, typically you would terminate this near the bottom of the stove. The hot air will go up and the colder air from the farther end of the house will go down... You create a natural loop of air circulation. They also a make fans to assist this that can go right into the duct.
Richard S.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Van Wert VA1200
Coal Size/Type: Buckwheat/Anthracite


Re: Floor registers with Fan

PostBy: anthony7812 On: Fri Aug 05, 2011 5:31 am

Im looking at doing the something similar with an inline duct fan. Problem I'm seeing is alot of fans that are affordable have a plastic type fan. Seems lil spookie to be putting plastic fans in a heating duct. :eek2:
anthony7812
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: VanWert VA 400
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III
Coal Size/Type: Buck/Nut/Anthracite

Re: Floor registers with Fan

PostBy: WNY On: Fri Aug 05, 2011 5:37 am

Do you have a heat jacket? or ducts going upstairs?

THey make inline fan with metal blades that are a bit higher in temperature.
WNY
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Keystoker 90K, Leisure Line Hyfire I
Coal Size/Type: Rice
Stove/Furnace Make: Keystoker, LL & CoalTrol
Stove/Furnace Model: 90K, Hyfire I, VF3000 Soon

Re: Floor registers with Fan

PostBy: Coalfire On: Fri Aug 05, 2011 5:41 am

One word of advice, I've never used it but heard about it on the forum and passed the info along to another member and they said it worked like a charm. Take an insense stick and walk around your house with the stove is runinng. Watch the way the smoke goes up high smoke should be going away from stove and down low should be going to stove. Trying this would alleviate cutting holes at random places and having it do nothing.


Eric
Coalfire
 
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Re: Floor registers with Fan

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Fri Aug 05, 2011 6:23 am

I used these basic techniques (plus a $50 IR thermostat) to get two Poconos to heat my home very, very well. The problem is as the weather changes the fans (2x8" and 1x12") did not keep the temperatures constant despite my wonderful coaltrols. Hence my upgrades to the Anthrakings that I am waiting to test fully this winter.I will use your ideas to optimize that set up. Psst, If you need a luxury yacht boat slip in Nassau this winter a Peruvian copper miner has had to sell his yacht due to reduced sales of hydronic overengineering. OK . I'm going to hide now. Oh and BTW, anybody found with a particulate air sampler measuring dust from the top of their baseboards will not be talked to anymore. Whatdoya mean a HEPA grade input filter on the squirrel cage input fan on the Anthrakings makes the air SO much cleaner? What are you trying to start here a collapse of the copper market. Oh c rap, that's done it now. To think my wife thinks I can be insensitive.
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Baseburners & Antiques: Red Cross Invader 2
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Other Heating: Heating Oil CH, Toyotomi OM 22

Re: Floor registers with Fan

PostBy: bridge1016 On: Fri Aug 05, 2011 6:35 pm

No I don't have ducts that the issue I am hoping if I make the air move it should help heat the house better......atleast I hope!!
bridge1016
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Leisure Line
Stove/Furnace Model: HYFIRE II

Re: Floor registers with Fan

PostBy: 2001Sierra On: Fri Aug 05, 2011 9:25 pm

I have been there and done that at least 2 times. I now have a system that draws the air from near the coal stove and pushes it into the bedrooms at the opposite end of the house. Stove is located in the family room in the basement. Stairs to the basement are nearby the stove. I push the air into the bedrooms,and distibuted down the hallway and rest of the house and it is returned down the stairs. With my new Keystoker 90 we did not even have the thermostats on, and the bride was content :D :D
2001Sierra
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Keystoker 90 Chimney vent
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Other Heating: Buderus Oil Boiler 3115-34
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Re: Floor registers with Fan

PostBy: WNY On: Sat Aug 06, 2011 8:00 am

I only have 2- 8" ducts going up to the first floor and a custom heat jacket on my hyfire, it does a pretty good job keeping the first floor comfortable, they had insulated the basement ceiling, so I don't get much radiant thru it, so I had to duct it upstairs somehow. I just cut a hole in my floor furnace and ducted it into the floor grate in the living room.

Do you have an existing forced air furnace?, maybe tap into a couple runs if possible. There are ways to get the heat upstairs...
WNY
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Keystoker 90K, Leisure Line Hyfire I
Coal Size/Type: Rice
Stove/Furnace Make: Keystoker, LL & CoalTrol
Stove/Furnace Model: 90K, Hyfire I, VF3000 Soon

Re: Floor registers with Fan

PostBy: steamup On: Sat Aug 06, 2011 4:06 pm

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Re: Floor registers with Fan

PostBy: 2001Sierra On: Sun Aug 07, 2011 10:05 pm

Bought one. Jury is still out on whether it is enough. I am working on panning a joist to allow more effecient airflow to the living room on another floor nearby.
2001Sierra
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Keystoker 90 Chimney vent
Coal Size/Type: Rice
Other Heating: Buderus Oil Boiler 3115-34
Stove/Furnace Model: Keystoker 90 Chimney Vent

Re: Floor registers with Fan

PostBy: Rob R. On: Mon Aug 08, 2011 6:25 am

bridge1016 wrote:I currently have a HyfireII installed in my basement, I seem to be having a issue moving air in my house, currently when i am burning my stove in the winter i leave the basement door open to move the heat upstairs but it seems some rooms are obviously colder than others. When i close the basement door and and rely on the floor registers it seems that i am not really getting much heat upstairs. My question would be if i installed floor registers with fans to pull the heat up would this help???? i was going to set two fans pulling heat up on on one side of the house and on the other side of the house have the fans blowing air down to hopefully recurculate the cold air, has anyone done this or does anyone have any advice????


It sounds like you need to focus on cold air returns at the far end of the house. If the cold air can find its way back to the basement, the warm air should be "happy" to go up through the stairwell and registers.

On a slightly different note, it sounds like you have considered selling or trading the Hyfire (listed for sale in classifieds) due to the heat distribution challenge. I doubt you will find anyone that wants to trade you an EFM for the Hyfire, but have you considered contacting LL directly? Perhaps they have a dealer that would take the Hyfire on trade towards one of their new boilers. Just a thought... If you are still considering a stoker boiler, please describe the your current system in detail (pictures are even better) so we can get an idea what would be required to install a second boiler. As coalnewbie pointed out, some homes require a large investment to get a second boiler up and running...others can pull it off for a couple hundred bucks (depending on what is already there).
Rob R.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
Coal Size/Type: Rice/buck
Other Heating: Dad's 1953 EFM Highboy

Re: Floor registers with Fan

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:45 pm

If the cold air returns are big enough...
Gravity flow will work...
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Re: Floor registers with Fan

PostBy: Keepaeyeonit On: Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:46 pm

Bridge 1016,I have the same fan you are looking at ,I'm taking it out this fall and replacing it with a large floor register,it worked ok but the fan is low on cfm's it did help in the kids room,I think I could better with a bigger hole in the floor. Keepaeyeonit
Keepaeyeonit
 
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