Getting ready for a wave of coal-plant shutdowns

Re: Getting ready for a wave of coal-plant shutdowns

PostBy: Dann757 On: Sun Aug 21, 2011 6:40 pm

mason coal burner wrote:I LOVE RICH PEOPLE . they keep a roof over my kids head and food in their stomachs . this country doesn't need more low income earners or leeches .


Hey man, you said it !!! You rock! I'm with you brother.

Closing coal plants is an unbelievable outrage!



I don't want to aggravate Samhill, but try to understand Sam there's a lot of us out there that help people with money to spend!! I just picked up some handyman work from a lady that is by no means "rich". She works in IT I think, some company with 600 employees. She is getting a few maintenance tasks and improvements done by me. She is getting a forced furlough soon. And by the way like the vast majority of citizens that have a work ethic, she despises vacation Barry.
Obama's policies are treason as far as my opinion is concerned. He promotes foreign countries and is doing everything possible to bring us down.

I think the bamster is part of a very big plan to take this country down. They already would have done it if not for the 2nd ammendment. Now he wants to freeze us out and starve us out, while letting in the disease ridden locust plague.
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Re: Getting ready for a wave of coal-plant shutdowns

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Aug 21, 2011 7:06 pm

Dan, look up how many vacations the last Pres. was on before you say more. Oh yea, your about the only one that keeps this I hate rich people crap, I dislike big business & the wealthy that don't pay their share of tax, I hate the fact that there have been loopholes put in place that make it legal. I have a good many friends that are more than a little wealthy, good for them, now that I think about them I can't think of any that didn't make it on their own, maybe that's why we are friends. For the most part they all have a good memory as to where they were & as to how they got to where they are.
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Re: Getting ready for a wave of coal-plant shutdowns

PostBy: mason coal burner On: Sun Aug 21, 2011 8:49 pm

we have been using oil for around a hundred year . look at how far we have come since then . with technology . they say there is hundreds more left . don't you think something else will come along in the mean time ? i'm not worried about running out . need flat tax or fair tax . as for vacation you will never get me to defend bush ever again . he has gotten away with alot more than obama so far . (9/11 , two wars , housing crash , market crash , tarp , etc. ) obama isn't done yet .
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Re: Getting ready for a wave of coal-plant shutdowns

PostBy: lsayre On: Mon Aug 22, 2011 6:00 am

There are a great number of researchers who suggest that world oil production will peak and go into terminal decline soon. Some say we are already at the peak of oil production, though we will not notice the decline for perhaps another 2-3 years (since the plateau at the top of the normal or bell curve is pretty flat, we haven't noticed that we have peaked yet). The United States peaked and went into terminal decline in about 1970 or 1971. We produce 50% less oil now then we did in 1970. All oil fields peak and go into decline. It is inevitable that the massive Ghawar field in Saudi Arabia will peak someday. And with China and India coming on strong as oil consumers, it has been calculated that a new Ghawar will soon need to be discovered roughly every 4 years. That's not likely to happen.
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Re: Getting ready for a wave of coal-plant shutdowns

PostBy: mason coal burner On: Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:13 pm

don't believe it when the liberals tell you we are out of oil . we have hundreds of years of oil here in the US but the bankers won't let us tap into it yet . we didn't hit peak oil in the 70's . we just cond the saudi's into selling us there oil in return for our junk paper money . this will soon end . no one wants our paper anymore
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Re: Getting ready for a wave of coal-plant shutdowns

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Aug 23, 2011 7:43 am

Your right MBC, no matter how much of any unrenewable product we use there will always be more. Keep playing your fiddle ignore the fire it will go out & magically renew itself. PS Thats why it's a good thing to save all your ash, just keep it covered & it will turn back into coal. ;)
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Re: Getting ready for a wave of coal-plant shutdowns

PostBy: mason coal burner On: Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:04 pm

i think my electricity comes from seabrook nuke plant (renewable) . but it cost .17 cents per kwh . damn expensive . i bought a used prius when gas hit 3.00$ . bought it for the milage not to save the polar bears . don't have a choice where my electric comes from . i burn coal cause its the cheapest form of heat . i'm going to use what ever is cheapest . right now fossil fuels are very much cheaper than renewables . until that changes i will continue . the only way wind and solar are close to affordable is with government incentives . the government doesn't have any money so they have to take it from tax payers and redistribute it or borrow the money from how ever will lend it to them . why are you burning coal it's not renewable . you get all your energy from renewables . right .
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Re: Getting ready for a wave of coal-plant shutdowns

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Aug 24, 2011 7:58 am

Do you think no Gov. money went into that nuke plant? If the Gov. wouldn't have changed direction (caved in to big oil) our development of renewable energy would have been a done deal by now. I get electric from a co-op, about 30% bought off the grid, the co-op has some of just about everything nuke, hydro, very small on solar & wind & one cow poo digester & another is in the process. If they ever quit fighting there will also be a tires to energy plant going in. I'm still slightly under 10 cents /kwh. The poo digesters are pretty renewable as long as there are cows that eat & poo. Then again it doesn't matter, I'm not the one that said we have hundreds of years of oil left, even if we did I think it would be a good idea the get other methods perfected before the year before it runs dry.
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Re: Getting ready for a wave of coal-plant shutdowns

PostBy: Berlin On: Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:07 am

sam, other than hydro and in VERY few situations geothermal, no renewable electrical generation can come close to competing with fossil fuels. The only reason they're used now is because of mandates, gov't guaranteed ROI's for the investors, and MASSIVE gov't subsidies. There's almost no subsidies to the coal industry, and no subsidies to build huge new coal generation, but private business does it successfully. To purchasers a new coal plant has wholesale power cost of around 3.2 cents/KWH and older plants (many which might be shut down) supply power for as little as 2 cents/KWH. If you want to know why power is so costly in the northeast and so inexpensive in the south, midwest and interior west, one word: COAL.
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Re: Getting ready for a wave of coal-plant shutdowns

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:36 am

As I said MCB was talking about the hundreds of years of oil reserves, the only thing I said about coal is that it will also run out, even faster as they try & develop ways to economically produce gas & other things from it. I really think about it & check into it most power plants were at least partly funded as are most projects that benefit consumers. Don't forget who builds the transmission lines for the electric, the Feds even gave money toward the cow poo digesters the one on line produces more than 250k if I remember correctly. In any event every form of non fossil energy produced helps to keep the fossil fuels around longer.
I don't recall all this concern back when all this Clean Air Act & Carbon Credits crap was put into effect, it was all a money making scheme for big business back then, this didn't just start, the ones making the noise now are the same ones that started it, good then bad now, give me a break already & do some research.
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Re: Getting ready for a wave of coal-plant shutdowns

PostBy: Berlin On: Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:29 am

Sam, other than a few pet projects of the department of energy and various gov't affiliated entities around the country (TVA, NY Power Authority etc.), coal fired generation is entirely privately funded. Sam, when coal, oil, and NG become scarce such that the price is driven higher, the MARKET will then determine that they are not the right fuels to use.
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Re: Getting ready for a wave of coal-plant shutdowns

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Aug 24, 2011 4:14 pm

Berlin, so what do you propose then to just wait until the market & price gets so high that most can no longer afford to heat their homes to then start looking for another source of energy? With the growth rate of China, india & others the price of coal is going only one way IMO up.
Does this sound like they get no Fed. funding? http://www.technologyreview.com/news/41 ... for-texas/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/0 ... 70471.html
http://www.duke-energy.com/news/releases/2008050901.asp
There are more.
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Re: Getting ready for a wave of coal-plant shutdowns

PostBy: Berlin On: Wed Aug 24, 2011 5:01 pm

Yes, sam, that's what I would propose; but it won't be anything like what you describe. We should shift as the technology becomes competitive with coal. What doesn't work is subsidizing technologies that aren't competitive and thus keeping new ideas out of the marketplace.

Sam, there's nothing in those links that contradicts anything i've said. Those are a few pet projects of the DOE for carbon capture, a needless waste of money; this has nothing to do with the large amount of coal-fired generation that is being built and has been built with a PROFITABLE UNSUBSIDIZED wholesale power price of around 3 cents/KWH.
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Re: Getting ready for a wave of coal-plant shutdowns

PostBy: Dann757 On: Wed Aug 24, 2011 6:22 pm

Sam Sam Sam. If you can squeeze in ten or fifteen minutes to watch, I'd love to see your response. You don't hate the rich, you hate the ultra rich, now you hate big business. Do you mean big business like GE, the largest industrial corporation in the world? You know, headed by Jeffrey Immelt, Maobamarx's JOB CZAR. The one that is blatantly sending jobs to China.

I haven't been able to get the youtube button to work no matter how much I study the "how to get your utube video to work" thread.

http://youtu.be/hgDj_I9imlw

Makes sense to me.
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Re: Getting ready for a wave of coal-plant shutdowns

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Aug 24, 2011 7:16 pm

If you bother to read down to the coal subsidies part you will see what they get, not to forget all the other oil & gas companies that get them also. It is not a few pet projects. http://www.citizen.org/cmep/article_red ... m?ID=13980
Now on to watching Dan's movie.
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