Propane X-fer

Propane X-fer

PostBy: qbwebb On: Wed Aug 31, 2011 12:05 pm

I have a 100/gal propane tank that is just used for the range currently, it came with my house when I purchased almost 2 yrs ago. I have always assumed that I own the tank since I am not getting billed monthly or annual for it. I didn't realize I can't get another company to come fill it unless I can prove ownership, all I have to this end is "bottled propane" on the disclosure from my home purchase. There is a sticker on on the tank, but I haven't had any luck reaching the company, not sure if they even exist anymore.

Is it possible for me to just get the BBQ tanks filled and pump into my larger 100/gal tank? Anyone ever done this before?
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Re: Propane X-fer

PostBy: Rick 386 On: Wed Aug 31, 2011 12:13 pm

I guess if you had the proper pump and fittings it could be done but.......................

Down at our DE shore place, we had the propane company come and remove their tanks due to their outrageous pricing for tank demurrage (sp?). We had 2 huge 100 gallon tanks since we also used it for heat. We now use 2- 100 lb. tanks with the automatic crossover valve. When 1 runs out we just remove it and run up to the local hardware store and have them fill it. Yeah there is some weight to a full tank, but a little careful planning gets it right off the back of the truck and into position.




Rick
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Re: Propane X-fer

PostBy: coal berner On: Wed Aug 31, 2011 12:17 pm

qbwebb wrote:I have a 100/gal propane tank that is just used for the range currently, it came with my house when I purchased almost 2 yrs ago. I have always assumed that I own the tank since I am not getting billed monthly or annual for it. I didn't realize I can't get another company to come fill it unless I can prove ownership, all I have to this end is "bottled propane" on the disclosure from my home purchase. There is a sticker on on the tank, but I haven't had any luck reaching the company, not sure if they even exist anymore.

Is it possible for me to just get the BBQ tanks filled and pump into my larger 100/gal tank? Anyone ever done this before?

I know they make a refill kit for 1 lb bottle to be filled with 20lb bbq tanks Don't know if you can use it for 20lb to 100lb
tank

http://www.harborfreight.com/propane-bo ... 45989.html
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Re: Propane X-fer

PostBy: steamup On: Wed Aug 31, 2011 1:07 pm

Propane transfer has to be done with propane in the liquid state. The pump and fittings have to be rated for this task, not to mention the wiring, safety swithes, etc. Many $$$$ and not for the do-it yourselfer. To transfer from a tank such as a 20 lb cylinder with the valve on the top of the tank, the tank must be inverted to get liquid out. Another pain in the a$$. You can do it soley by pressure differential but you will never get the 20 lb cylinder completly empty.

For the money you are talking, go to tractor supply and buy 2- 50 or 100 lb cylinders. Buy a auto changeover control and the appropriate regulators. Get those at a RV place if you want. When one cylinder runs out, take it to your local propane supplier to get filled. The reason you need a bigger cylinder is when it is cold out, you need the heat transfer capability of the larger surface area of the cylinder to boil the liquid to vapor.

Other option is to contract with a propane company for auto delivery. They may give you a 100 gallon tank to use as long as they are your supplier. Check our prices through. I pay close to $5 delivery surcharge for every load I get, regardless of if it is 20 gallons or 80 gallons.
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Re: Propane X-fer

PostBy: AA130FIREMAN On: Wed Aug 31, 2011 1:39 pm

My place I bought at auction, it came with a tank from surban that they owned, they refunded the previous owner the balance of unused propane, and they left the tank here for over a year, I thought they forgot, but they did pick it up after a year, I never had a contract nor did I want one. I personally don't like propane because of it being heavier than air , sticking around in the basement. It was for a fireplace insert log set that looked fake anyway, if I want a fire now I will use the real deal.
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Re: Propane X-fer

PostBy: Yanche On: Wed Aug 31, 2011 7:23 pm

I use propane for my dryer and kitchen cooktop. I own two 100 lbs tanks that I bought at Tractor Supply Co. When one empties I switch the regulator to the other tank. Then, when convenient I take the empty tank to a propane supplier for refilling. Lots of suppliers to choose from. The large tool rental business is usually the cheapest. The tank is dated when it was last tested and is checked before each filling. After the date expires, I think it's 10 years, the tank must be retested. I can lift the empty tank to my pickup. I could with effort also get a full tank off, but it's a bit risky. I usually use my loader. For my propane usage it's considerably cheaper than contracting with a delivery company. Tanks cost around $100 five years ago. I use 1-2 tanks a year.
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Re: Propane X-fer

PostBy: david78 On: Wed Aug 31, 2011 9:22 pm

A guy who managed a local motel/restaurant here was transferring LP from the motel's 500 gallon tank into his smaller tank; without the owners' knowledge or permission. He did something wrong and blew up the building and himself. The motel is still closed, condemned I think. Haven't heard anything about the guy lately. Stuff makes me a little nervous. :shock:
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Re: Propane X-fer

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:35 pm

Messing around with propain is not a good idea.

http://www.firehouse.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57448

http://www.newtonfiredepartment.com/able.asp

http://law.justia.com/cases/new-jersey/ ... 6-opn.html

I was in Newton when Able blew up. It felt like a minor earthquake from where I was (on the Chiropractor"s table).
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Re: Propane X-fer

PostBy: qbwebb On: Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:25 am

I wouldn't think messing around is a good idea at all, I was just wondering if there was a safe set of pumps/valves one could purchase to do this without Jerry rigging something together.

I was able to reach the company who last filled the tank, and the guy said he also owns the tank. I thought this was kind of strange, don't most propane companies who lease/loan tanks charge an annual or monthly fee?

Anyways, the guy wants $4/gal to fill, so I am going to take Yanche's and steamup's great advice, tractor supply has 100lb cylinders for $140.
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Re: Propane X-fer

PostBy: AA130FIREMAN On: Thu Sep 01, 2011 9:11 am

I would ask if the owner would sell the tank to you, it might be more trouble to pick up the tank than it's worth for them. You should be able to get a cheaper rate if you own the tank and can have the company of your choice fill it.
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Re: Propane X-fer

PostBy: Freddy On: Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:05 am

Do your home work before you buy. Around here no one will come fill your tank. You can take it and have it filled, but if they come to your house they want to own the tank.
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Re: Propane X-fer

PostBy: steamup On: Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:38 pm

qbwebb wrote: I was able to reach the company who last filled the tank, and the guy said he also owns the tank. I thought this was kind of strange, don't most propane companies who lease/loan tanks charge an annual or monthly fee?

Anyways, the guy wants $4/gal to fill, so I am going to take Yanche's and steamup's great advice, tractor supply has 100lb cylinders for $140.


Not all companies charge a fee. My company loans me the 100 gallon tank and regulator free of charge. I have to buy from them but they are reasonable. Last time it was $2.69 gal plus taxes and fees.

$4/ gallon may not be bad for small quanities. Last time I had a propane grill tank filled, it was $4.00a gallon. You might spend money on tanks and not save any money buying propane.
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Re: Propane X-fer

PostBy: steamup On: Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:51 pm

Wood'nCoal wrote:Messing around with propain is not a good idea.

http://www.firehouse.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57448

http://www.newtonfiredepartment.com/able.asp

http://law.justia.com/cases/new-jersey/ ... 6-opn.html

I was in Newton when Able blew up. It felt like a minor earthquake from where I was (on the Chiropractor"s table).



Any material can be dangerous if not used and handled properly. You read about propane explosions as some are spetacular.

I have seen as many or more houses blown up from natural gas as from propane. You rarely ever hear about the people that have contaiminated basements from fuel oil leakage. Every once in a while someone burns something down or is injured from a gasoline leak. Electrical falures can be deadly. Burning coal gives off deadly carbon monoxide. Maybe messing around with coal isn't a good idea for some.

Bottom line is don't become a Darwin award winner. Everything has its risks. Educate yourself on these risks and use the proper safety devices and precautions.
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Re: Propane X-fer

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:47 pm

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