Am I honestly to believe?

Let this be a lesson to you and all who read this post. Do NOT let any contractor touch your house without a contract in place, period. The contract is meant to put in place what is to be done and how much you will pay for it. If you don't, everything is in the air. And of chorse, the wind will blow in favor of the contractor, if you know what I mean. At this point, I would fire the electrician just because of the nasty comment he made. I don't want anybody with that kind of attitude touching my house. I want someone I can trust. And as far as the other guy, i dont know, the damage is already done, isn't it? $13000 is rediculous. You'll probably want to punch me when I tell you that my contract only cost me $2000. The guy just stopped by today to pick up the $500 down payment to start the work. He gets $1500 when it's done. I would very carefully work with the guy and take a more active roll in overseeing his work. You don't want to piss him off now and have your septic back into the house later on because of something he did (or didn't do) because you pissed him off. Shitty situation your in, man. Wish I had better advice for ya.

Yeah, my sister's system only cost her $5k. I got screwed this entire project. We've asked, and asked and asked for the contract but yet none has been provided.

I'll tell you right now, this is the last time I have anything done to my house that requires a contractor. If I can't pull the permits and get my friends to help, it doesn't need doing.

This is nutz! Im all for the "safe and ethical" gas business. But sounds to me its easier to pump waste water in an injection well than to put a turd in the ground anymore.

anthony7812 wrote:This is nutz! Im all for the "safe and ethical" gas business. But sounds to me its easier to pump waste water in an injection well than to put a turd in the ground anymore.

You're telling me. I currently have three systems in place. The bathroom is on this nightmare of a septic system, the kitchen goes to a drywell (that also needs repair but I'm gonna dig it up and fill it with sand) and then move it to the septic. And the washer go to another drywell. But I'm told the one for the washer is "illegal" and the guy who told me that was one of the clowns involved in this project and I told him, "Oh well, it ain't gettin' moved."

jesus i know people that still have gray or cloudy lines on thier home. Gotta love it. Or as Freetown puts it OUTSTANDING

It just doesn't end. We're now being told by the town we need a "pump" permit. Its another $62 and I can only assume it's for the effluent pump in the 500 gallon secondary tank. May I ask, "WHY THE *censored* DO I NEED THIS PERMIT!?!?!" I'm getting sick of this. Every day its something new.

The only reason I can think of for needing this permit....wait, *censored* it, no I can't think of any good reason for this piece of paper. Why? So some *censored* town inspector can look in the 500 gallon tank and say, "M'yep, there's a pump in there. Here's your sticker."

So, supposedly they'll be done with the "building" of this system tomorrow and can finally repair my yard, side property and driveway then get the f off my damn property. This has gone on way too long and I'm at the end of my rope.

Make sure you keep us posted on that yard repair.That contractor is such a professional kinda guy, I'm sure he'll do a bang up job with that.

A permit for everything here in MA...
They have a 'trench permit' here...
More than 3 feet deep and ya need a permit...
I feel for ya...
http://www.mass.gov/?pageID=eopsterminal&L=4&L0=Home&L1=Consumer+Protection+%26+Business+Licensing&L2=License+Type+by+Business+Area&L3=Trenches&sid=Eeops&b=terminalcontent&f=dps_faq_trench_new&csid=Eeops#A2
Hate to get one in Cambridge, MA...
http://www.cambridgema.gov/permitsandapplications/detail.aspx?path=%2Fsitecore%2Fcontent%2Fhome%2Ftheworks%2Fpermitsanddocuments%2FPermits%2FPermits%2FE%2Fexcavationpermit

freetown fred wrote:Make sure you keep us posted on that yard repair.That contractor is such a professional kinda guy, I'm sure he'll do a bang up job with that.

LOL!! I somehow doubt he'll do a good job. I'll probably have to get a bunch of my friends; of which I have only a few and a couple cases of beer.

And since I live in Seattle (I'm going to petition Governor Christie to have the state officially renamed New Seattle) and it's raining...again...for the thousandth time within a month they aren't going to work on my house today.

Quick update. Still not done; as if thats' any surprise. The 1000 gallon tank came out of the ground again on Monday afternoon. It was backfilled and buried and had about 700+ gallons of water in it, not quite enough apparently. They were here Wednesday and pulled the tank out of the ground and put it aside. "The hole has to dry out." the claim.

Frustrated, I called my buddy; he had his system redone a few years ago. Got the number to the company he used. Called them and explained what is going on. The secretary (the owner of the company actually) says, "You're still living there?" to which I replied, "Yup. This is bullshit." I explained the situation and what is needed to complete the job; informed her that all permits have been pulled and that we'd need to obtain new copies of them from the town. Her response, "Well, in all honesty, I don't blame you for wanting to fire this other guy at all. It really doesn't sound like a whole lot of work needs to be done to finish it. Not a lot of material left to buy to finish it."

She agreed to call her husband, who does the work and is trying to get him to come out this afternoon to look the job over and issue a quote for completion. I'm hoping he does come out; she said weather permitting. Which is fine, I don't fault anyone for the weather; just the poor business ethic. I told her that an electrician will need to be hired as I'm going to also fire that asshat as well.

The woman I spoke to remembered doing my friend's house and said, his system was done in a week and typically, they finish all of their jobs within 3 business days, start to finish when the weather is pristine. She said, when the weather is bad like this jobs tend to get drawn out but not by nearly three months. Maybe a few weeks but not any more. Sounds to me like this new company only takes the amount of jobs they can handle at any given time; seems normal to me. A few jobs at a time is ok. But the current retard I've hired has more jobs than he can handle.

I think it's a good idea to get rid of the previous bastards. I know, the guy that built my landlady's addition was useless and dishonest. His addition caused flooding in her basement, we showed the guy the water pouring in through the door frame, he just looked at it and commented like he had nothing to do with the job! I showed him her leaking shower drain from the get-go. You can see it from the old basement under the new crawlspace; same thing, passive-agressive, nonchalant "how about that" attitude. I hope people like that get their just desserts, from karma, or in the afterlife They seem to go through life incompetant, dishonest, even predatory, and cause good people to suffer.

In this town you're supposed to pull a permit to have a pile of dirt delivered! I don't think anybody does though.

Dann757 wrote:In this town you're supposed to pull a permit to have a pile of dirt delivered! I don't think anybody does though.

And what? Inspected? "Hrmm...that pile a dirt thar is two inches too far to the left of the bullseye painted in the grass. It needs to be moved or y'all face a fine."

Seriously, what kind of garbage is this?

I told the woman on the phone about the plumbing permit and she said to me, "Yeah, Vernon requires the contractor to hire a plumber to make the connections. The way around that is we tell the town the home owner is making final connections to the home and the permit is no longer required." I was dumbfounded, "Yeah, it's really stupid and another way for the town to make money." she said.

So what happens next year when you get a big ass rain storm...
and the tank pops again...
If the ground water is that high any thing will pop if there is not enough weight to keep it from floating...
happens with empty swimming pools too...
With underground gas tanks they pour a pad that is greater in weight than the displacement of the tank...
and strap it down so it will not pop when empty...

Yup Cape, I had been considering a pad. Although, I'm not even sure how to calculate that.

But, if the tank had been put in before the rains then I'm sure it'd been fine. Since the system could work as designed. The problem is that the tank gets put in empty, then we're told to fill it over the course of normal usage. Then it rains. Again, and again and again. We've had extremely unusual weather this summer. We've never gotten this amount of rain. Ever. NJ is prone to rain, and a lot of it. But not in the amount we've seen between July and now. The water table isn't that high. But, the ground is saturated and there is no where for the water to go anymore. Like I said, I've never gotten water in my basement any other rain storm. Heavy or not until this summer.

New update!!

The new contractor left just left my house. His first reaction to my situation (it rhymes.) "What the *censored* did he do to you? This is unbelievable."

Needless to say, the contractor who started this job is getting a not very good phone call tomorrow. The, "Don't bother coming back to my house. You are fired." phone call.

And the new contractor is cheaper too. $2500 to finish the job that should have been done weeks/months ago. He looked at the job, walked around the yard and said, "Nick, this is a three day job. From start to finish. Its a very small system and there is no reason why this is not done." Then he looked around some more and said, "Ridiculous, it's 60' of wire, drop the tank in. Grade, top soil, seed, done. It's right there. Why it wasn't finished is beyond me."

He said I'll have the quote by Monday the latest and it'll be done shortly after I sign it and send it back.

I can't wait to call the other contractor tomorrow to tell him he's fired.