Another stupid engine design! How do I dissasemble this junk

Re: Another stupid engine design! How do I dissasemble this junk

PostBy: snuffy On: Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:03 pm

Actually the Vega motors started dying at 15,000 miles, had three overhauls by 30,000. It was the shocks that ricochet around inside the passenger compartment at 35,000 miles. I repaired a timing belt on it one time, lost the correct sequence, found it, then high fived my hand right through the windshield. What a sorry excuse for a car!!
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Re: Another stupid engine design! How do I dissasemble this junk

PostBy: Dann757 On: Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:41 pm

Oh there ya go. I always wanted a v8 Vega!

I heard there was a Briggs and Stratton plant down south, one of the Carolinas I think. They sent their small engine plant to China with all the accompanying grief to the workers, you know chinese coming in wanting to learn the proceedures, long time workers being discarded. Then they didn't have the market for the engines in China because they all live in barracks and high rises and nobody has a lawn. So it was still cheaper to send the engines back for the domestic market here. I don't know if it's a true story.
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Re: Another stupid engine design! How do I dissasemble this junk

PostBy: wsherrick On: Sat Oct 01, 2011 12:21 am

snuffy wrote:Actually the Vega motors started dying at 15,000 miles, had three overhauls by 30,000. It was the shocks that ricochet around inside the passenger compartment at 35,000 miles. I repaired a timing belt on it one time, lost the correct sequence, found it, then high fived my hand right through the windshield. What a sorry excuse for a car!!


My first car was a '72 vega with the aluminum 4 cylinder block. I bought it in 78. The car was only six years old and it was a hunk of hazardous junk. It tried to kill me several times and it almost suceeded. I had 2 flat tires at the same time doing 60 MPH. The accelerator stuck open while I was in rush hour traffic. The fuel pump went out stranding me many miles from home.
The final end came when I was driving on a wet road and took a curve a little bit two fast. I was only 19 years old and almost didn't see 20. The car lost its grip and did a 360 in the road, went into the drainage ditch on the side, flipped over twice, landing on the roof upside down and finally I ended up with the car bent into a U shape around a telephone pole. The hatch back ripped off the windshields all blew out cutting me up pretty good and the engine came off the motor mounts and landed in pieces on the road.
I ended up with a broken back and I lay in bed for six months after I got out of the Hospital. The blow to my back caused the nerves to my lungs to be temporarily paralized and I couldn't breathe. Thank God for my Mother who was a nurse.
Needless to say I am not fond of Vegas. After that I bought a 73 Ninety Eight Regency. I have driven big sedans ever since. I can close my eyes and still hear the crashing sounds, feel the abject terror of that moment and the horrible pain. If you live through an event like that, I don't think you can ever forget it.
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Re: Another stupid engine design! How do I dissasemble this junk

PostBy: snuffy On: Sat Oct 01, 2011 2:41 am

I never did trust the gas guage. Fortunately I could always flip down the license plate remove the cap and shine a flash light down the filler tube. Yep, still have about 1 1/2 gallons in there. Ahhh, the 70's & 80's Chevy's
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Re: Another stupid engine design! How do I dissasemble this junk

PostBy: rberq On: Sat Oct 01, 2011 8:46 am

Dann757 wrote:Didn't they have Chevy Vega motors with aluminum cylinders that were done at 35k?

Yeah, I had one of those. It had vertical gouges in the cylinder walls deep and wide enough you could stick a fingernail in. It was a toss-up whether it there was more oil or coolant coming out the tailpipe.

Dann757 wrote:I always wanted a v8 Vega

Funny you should say that. I put mine on the lawn for sale, and after a few weeks some kid stopped by and wanted it. I told him the engine was toast, but he didn’t care, he was going to drop a V-8 into it and then do – what? – I didn’t ask, just took his $200 and wished him luck.

wsherrick wrote:After that I bought a 73 Ninety Eight Regency. I have driven big sedans ever since.

I worked with an early-twenties guy who was part-time fire department and rescue. He was the sort you would expect to be driving the latest muscle car. But after the crashes he had assisted at, he would only drive the biggest heaviest Buick he could find.
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Re: Another stupid engine design! How do I dissasemble this junk

PostBy: gaw On: Sat Oct 01, 2011 10:08 am

Uh oh, this got me thinking so I had to look and it turns out I have a push mower with one of these Honda engines on it. A vertical shaft engine, overhead valves and a diagonal seam in the block where it bolts together, it sounds to me like the same thing you’re working on SMITTY. :sick: I will say that I have had this thing for about five years and it has been very dependable and almost always starts on one pull.

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SMITTY, it looks like everything you bitch about Honda touts as a selling feature. :shock:

I have a push mower and a small rider with L-Head B&S engines on them and even though they are considered old technology today I believe those simple Briggs & Stratton engines were an excellent value. Every one I ever got rid of was because the mower deck fell apart but the engine ran fine. My dad would save the old motors for parts or just in case but I figure I have enough junk laying around so I just give the old mower to a local scrap collector and tell him the engine still works if he knows anyone who would want it. The worst thing B&S did was to remove the choke and go to the primer but once you figure out how many pumps it REALLY takes they will start on one pull.

A year or two ago I saw a push mower; I think it was a Husquevarna with a Kohler engine. It did not take long until I saw the “made in China” label on the Kohler engine. It also said something like designed in USA or engineered in USA and made in China to Kohler’s standards or something like that. They know most people hat seeing the “made in China” so they try to make us feel good about it with the engineered in USA bullshit but they know that they will sell more units this way than by charging an extra hundred bucks and having a “made with pride in the USA” label. All of the big companies that made a name for themselves for high quality but “pricey” products have sold out and are cashing in on their name recognition to sell junk to the masses. Honda, Kohler, DeWalt, Milwaukee, Red Wing just to name a few and I’m sure the list goes on.

Welcome to the USA today.
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Re: Another stupid engine design! How do I dissasemble this junk

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Sat Oct 01, 2011 10:39 am

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Re: Another stupid engine design! How do I dissasemble this junk

PostBy: 009to090 On: Sat Oct 01, 2011 12:41 pm

Wood'nCoal wrote:Honda thinks it's great!
http://engines.honda.com/models/model-detail/gcv190

The GCV190 is on my new power washer. The FIRST engine ate itsself up in 5 seconds flat. Sent it back. The SECOND engine had aluminum corrosion in the carbuerator's main jet, completely blocking any fuel from getting to the engine. Disassembled and rebuilt it myself, rather than wonder what a THIRD engine would act like.
:mad3:
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Re: Another stupid engine design! How do I dissasemble this junk

PostBy: SteveZee On: Sat Oct 01, 2011 1:20 pm

Personally I like the old Honda GX series motors. You know the horizontal shaft ohv red ones with the gas tank on top. I've had several that did well for me. They've gone the way of many other companies with price pointing the smaller verticles.
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Re: Another stupid engine design! How do I dissasemble this junk

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Oct 09, 2011 10:56 am

Say what you want about the Vega. My buddy had one and the head gasket let go at about 70 mph. It hydraulic'd three cylinders but somehow pushed all the water out.

All that violence bent/stretched three rods but it kept running. He limped it all the way home. I've never seen quite so much carnage in my life. The pistons were bashing the head, the tops of the pistons had all the dings from the plug and the valves and then one cylinder was perfect. :)

And this is from a kid that can scatter a motor. He blew up a 231 V6 in a Monza one time and we found a cam lobe in the bellhousing! I still can't figure that one!
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Re: Another stupid engine design! How do I dissasemble this junk

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Sun Oct 09, 2011 3:33 pm

The other "minor" problem with the Vega was they started rusting out after the first rainstorm.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Vega
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Re: Another stupid engine design! How do I dissasemble this junk

PostBy: SMITTY On: Sun Oct 09, 2011 10:26 pm

That's probably the reason GM coats all their panels now in corrosion resistant primer before assembly now. :lol: The Vega was the learning curve. :D

Yeah WTF Honda??? You built a piece of *censored*!! Might be great to you guys .... but not to the poor sap who has to fix it ... and actually make enough money to buy a happy meal ... :mad: What a piece of *censored*! Soichiro Honda ( 本田 宗一郎 :D ) must be rolling in his grave - he'd have never let this shitbox bear his name ... or ever leave his factory. Looks like even the Japanese have sold out today ... :no1:

Got most of the parts in right away for this turd ... of course, one is backordered for over 2 weeks. Figures. Guess it's just as well because the Blazer project has taken up every waking moment of the past 10 days straight.
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Re: Another stupid engine design! How do I dissasemble this junk

PostBy: rberq On: Mon Oct 10, 2011 8:29 am

SMITTY wrote:GM coats all their panels now in corrosion resistant primer before assembly now.:lol: The Vega was the learning curve.:D

Right. Before that, nobody knew that metal could rust. :o

SMITTY wrote:...the Blazer project has taken up every waking moment of the past 10 days straight.

Blazer project? I thought you had put a bomb under the Blazer and blasted it back to its original components of earth, air, fire, and water?
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Re: Another stupid engine design! How do I dissasemble this junk

PostBy: Dann757 On: Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:05 am

I mowed the lawn when I lived in The City of North Plainfield, with a Lawn Boy. I had two of them at one time. I regret letting them go. 2-cycle, lightweight little mowers . Green with offset front wheels and steel decks. Non-self propelled. Amazingly reliable. One had a throttle, the other didn't. I would leave one in the garage over the winter and it would start right up the next spring with no prep other than sloshing the mix around in the tank.
I gave one to my sister in law who kept it in a junky old mouse ridden metal shed. They could never get their kid to mow the lawn, never cared about their lawn anyway. She called one day and said it wouldn't start. I drove up 55 minutes, pulled the cord and it started right up. They are kind of hard to find these days.

When the kids were little I would go up there a lot. One summer day I decided to clean up the yard a little for them. I pulled dozens of disposable plastic hanging-plant baskets out of the overgrown side of the house and stuffed them in contractor's bags. Had to pull some of them out of the dirt, they must have been there ten years. Gave some pachysandra a chance to fill in. I got yelled at for that! "I USE THOSE!!!!" Yeah, right. I would always take care of my brother's house, gutters, etc. One time I had been working outside and came in for a soda. My brother says, " I see you came up to mooch off me again." I don't know if he was teasing me to this day. :D
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Re: Another stupid engine design! How do I dissasemble this junk

PostBy: Rob R. On: Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:06 am

My grandfather said it amazed him that we can make a beer can for pennies that will withstand the elements for decades, and GM figured out how to make a $40,000 Cadillac rust out in 10 years or less.
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