The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: Dann757 On: Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:56 pm

jpete wrote:Your ideas I find are mutually exclusive. You want less taxes but more government intervention. Overseas at least. It can't work that way because militarism costs money. And since government doesn't have that rewarding job you keep talking about, they have to wrest the money from the populace.

You seem to be OK with government taking money from people, as long as they don't take it from you.


It's libel if it's in print, correct? I never said any of those things here or anywhere else! You are another guy that is borderline troll. You're fooled by your own narcissism. You're a rigid ideologue and only have an interest in "being right", rather than an honest desire to engage in meaningful discourse.

So how do you think your Ron Paul would handle the recent belligerance of Iran?? Bake them some cupcakes?


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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:48 pm

I gotta hand it to you jpete, you are absolutely right about the FF. They were all of that.

But, they relied on one thing that is rapidly deteriorating today in our society. It was a cohesiveness derived from an assumed belief in God. That belief was pervasive in the FF's society, despite being free to choose any religion, or none at all. The FF relied on that ingrained morality of Judeo-Christians to establish Constitutional order. Without the Judeo-Christian ethic, there is no reason in the words of the Constitution. We see the evil and unreasonable arguments of the last 100 years against the Constitution and we will be forced to endure more of it as the numbers of godless increase.

Dann's video of tea party-ers at the OWS-er's protest aptly displays the evil that has developed in the "neo-liberal" part of society. To be sure, it exists on the right also.

Gandhi preached non-violence and not only talked the talk, he walked the walk. He was as close to a modern day christ as we have seen in our times. However, his strategy of non-violent resistance, which defeated the British, would not have worked on Nazi Germany, had they occupied India. The reason, of course, is that Britain had an ingrained Judeo-Christian morality. It was a society of reason. It was not perfect by any means, but capable of being influenced by reason-Indian and Gandhian reason, which was also rooted in an ethic of higher order. What we see today in today's liberal ideologues is an unreasonableness that cannot be dealt with rationally. Those who are reasonable are at an extreme disadvantage, as was demonstrated in the video.

Unfortunately, I think, for humans, war is inevitable at certain junctures. Like Dann, I think its best to hold on to the religion and the armed forces for defense. One cannot exist legitimately without the other.

"Speak softly and carry a big stick." --TR

"He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. 37 It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’[a]; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.”

38 The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.”

“That’s enough!” he replied. " -- JC Luke 22: 36-38
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:54 pm

Dann757 wrote:
jpete wrote:Your ideas I find are mutually exclusive. You want less taxes but more government intervention. Overseas at least. It can't work that way because militarism costs money. And since government doesn't have that rewarding job you keep talking about, they have to wrest the money from the populace.

You seem to be OK with government taking money from people, as long as they don't take it from you.


It's libel if it's in print, correct? I never said any of those things here or anywhere else! You are another guy that is borderline troll. You're fooled by your own narcissism. You're a rigid ideologue and only have an interest in "being right", rather than an honest desire to engage in meaningful discourse.

So how do you think your Ron Paul would handle the recent belligerance of Iran?? Bake them some cupcakes?


What's wrong with trying to be right? Should I flail about and hope I get lucky?

And look at what you just wrote. You are implying that we should do "something" about Iran. That costs money. YOUR money. You can't attempt to be fiscally conservative and the police of the world.

You can call me names all day long. It doesn't change the fact that our foreign policy does us more harm than good.
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: franco b On: Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:38 pm

jpete wrote:And look at what you just wrote. You are implying that we should do "something" about Iran. That costs money. YOUR money. You can't attempt to be fiscally conservative and the police of the world.


So much of what you write I can agree with, and yet?

Iran is chock full of crazies encouraged by their government and their religious leaders. Doing something does not have to include war.

Any government has to cope with the crazy quilt of human emotion and instinct on the part of both the governed and governors. It is our Constitution that provides the best hope of success.
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: Dann757 On: Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:52 pm

jpete wrote:What's wrong with trying to be right? Should I flail about and hope I get lucky?


Isn't that what you are doing?

jpete wrote:You can call me names all day long. It doesn't change the fact that our foreign policy does us more harm than good.


You serve in tennis you might want to expect a return. I don't consider myself anything more than a barking dog in a small kennel. A grain of sand on a beach talking about mountains.



" At the constitutional level where we work, 90 percent of any decision is emotional. The rational part of us supplies the reasons for supporting our predilections."
~ Justice William O. Douglas
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:22 pm

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Nah, can't be related after all it's equal justice for all. Hmm, could this be favoritism.
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Wed Oct 12, 2011 5:56 am

jpete wrote:And look at what you just wrote. You are implying that we should do "something" about Iran. That costs money. YOUR money. You can't attempt to be fiscally conservative and the police of the world.

You can call me names all day long. It doesn't change the fact that our foreign policy does us more harm than good.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10 ... late-iran/

hey Dan, you leave Jpete alone - obviously the Iranians are of no concern to the US, just like the Archduke Ferdinand was of no concern prior to the Serbs assassinating him and sending the world into WWI. Oh wait, is this the same Iran that has sworn the destruction of Israel and more to the point to kill every citizen of the Great Satan, aka the United States, they can? The same Iran that takes pride in spreading Sharia Law across the earth? The same highly volatile Iran that now has nuclear capability? Just wondering ...if this is the same Iran it may be that money spent now will be money well spent in terms of minimizing damage later on. Think about it - the US has never entered a war prepared for it - it's against our nature - but wouldn't be it nice to actually be ready when Iran gives us an invitation we can't refuse - say the results of a massive terror act. As someone else said, it's doesn't have to be war but let's take the threat seriously and do something.
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Oct 12, 2011 8:15 am

As much as I hate to I also have to ask just where all this money would come from? Seems all the Pres. hopefuls talk out one side about fixing the debt & out the other when it comes to the border & wars, I only get a small Amt. of S.S. & grandma can only cut those pills in half if she's lucky (arthritis), funny how during the H.C. debates they were worried about grandma & now they want to starve & under medicate her. What goes around comes around, the country needs a lot of things but they all have a price tag (except true patriotism) where is all the $ going to come from?
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Oct 12, 2011 8:39 am

lowfog01 wrote:
jpete wrote:And look at what you just wrote. You are implying that we should do "something" about Iran. That costs money. YOUR money. You can't attempt to be fiscally conservative and the police of the world.

You can call me names all day long. It doesn't change the fact that our foreign policy does us more harm than good.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10 ... late-iran/

hey Dan, you leave Jpete alone - obviously the Iranians are of no concern to the US, just like the Archduke Ferdinand was of no concern prior to the Serbs assassinating him and sending the world into WWI. Oh wait, is this the same Iran that has sworn the destruction of Israel and more to the point to kill every citizen of the Great Satan, aka the United States, they can? The same Iran that takes pride in spreading Sharia Law across the earth? The same highly volatile Iran that now has nuclear capability? Just wondering ...if this is the same Iran it may be that money spent now will be money well spent in terms of minimizing damage later on. Think about it - the US has never entered a war prepared for it - it's against our nature - but wouldn't be it nice to actually be ready when Iran gives us an invitation we can't refuse - say the results of a massive terror act. As someone else said, it's doesn't have to be war but let's take the threat seriously and do something.


If you are worried about an unstable Iran, then maybe we should have destabilized it to begin with!

http://www.economicexpert.com/a/Operation:Ajax.htm

I swear, people that tell me I don't know what I'm talking about when their history only goes back to Reagan are going to give me a stroke! :mad:
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: Dann757 On: Wed Oct 12, 2011 10:20 am

jpete wrote:I swear, people that tell me I don't know what I'm talking about when their history only goes back to Reagan are going to give me a stroke!


I bet you would feel funny if we all agreed with you. Anybody can sit in classrooms and buy a degree. Anybody can cut and paste obscure website material to "prove" how right they are. Glad you're an economic expert too. Please continue to educate us but speak slowly and use simple concepts.

Holder just dumped this Saudi Ambassador assasination plot on us, even though he knew about it on the 28th of Sept. Hmmmmmm wonder why that would be.
Could you tell us what Ron Paul's opinion on this act of war is? " Well, we should send over a delegation and help Ahmedinajad deliver some jihadist babies."

Obama ignored the protests in Iran, but encouraged the downfall of Egypt. Now the wonderful new "rebels" are killing Christians in Egypt.

Well, we're all so ignorant of history previous to Reagan, it's a wonder that you would stoop to conversation with all of us childish ignorant conservatives.

Oh, by the way, Gov. Christie just endorsed Ron Paul yesterday :!: Ohh, sorry , that was Mitt Romney.

I asked some working men men in the lumber yard yesterday about the OWS protesters. Quite an interesting response.
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: kstills On: Wed Oct 12, 2011 10:36 am

One should be careful not to conflate the rhetoric of the ruling party in Iran with the feelings of the people of Iran.

They are at odds with each other.

Iran is a great case for moving slowly and behind to scenes to allow the natural human tendency to rebel against oppression to run it's course. Becoming overly belligerent could turn an otherwise friendly populace into a nationalistic force that would willingly carry out the admittedly warlike policies of the ruling party.

I'm not advocating a do nothing approach, however the target of our retaliation should be a part of their government that the people hate.

And a target like that should be easy to find. :)
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Oct 12, 2011 1:05 pm

Dann757 wrote:
jpete wrote:I swear, people that tell me I don't know what I'm talking about when their history only goes back to Reagan are going to give me a stroke!


I bet you would feel funny if we all agreed with you. Anybody can sit in classrooms and buy a degree. Anybody can cut and paste obscure website material to "prove" how right they are. Glad you're an economic expert too. Please continue to educate us but speak slowly and use simple concepts.

Holder just dumped this Saudi Ambassador assasination plot on us, even though he knew about it on the 28th of Sept. Hmmmmmm wonder why that would be.
Could you tell us what Ron Paul's opinion on this act of war is? " Well, we should send over a delegation and help Ahmedinajad deliver some jihadist babies."

Obama ignored the protests in Iran, but encouraged the downfall of Egypt. Now the wonderful new "rebels" are killing Christians in Egypt.

Well, we're all so ignorant of history previous to Reagan, it's a wonder that you would stoop to conversation with all of us childish ignorant conservatives.

Oh, by the way, Gov. Christie just endorsed Ron Paul yesterday :!: Ohh, sorry , that was Mitt Romney.

I asked some working men men in the lumber yard yesterday about the OWS protesters. Quite an interesting response.


I don't even know what your trying to say with most of this.

Who said I sat in a classroom and bought a degree? It's called "educating yourself", maybe you ought to spend less time trying to belittle people that do it and try it yourself.

Let's take this one point at a time. Did Operation Ajax occur or didn't it?
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: Dann757 On: Wed Oct 12, 2011 5:42 pm

jpete wrote:Let's take this one point at a time. Did Operation Ajax occur or didn't it?



You mean the Ajax Athletic Club? Really, I'm tired of waiting for you to have one good thing to say about this country.

Really, you libs just bring the worst out in me. I need to just let you be.
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Oct 12, 2011 6:16 pm

Oh I'm sorry, I thought you wanted to have a discussion.

I forgot the appropriate response was "You're right Dann."

:?
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