The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:52 am

Dan, I never have said that I won't defend myself in kind, you should know that. If I feel I have been accused of being something that I am not or talked down to then I have no problem firing back. Odd how you say nothing about my being verbally attacked but feel free to jump in on me. There are a few things that even I think are totally uncalled for, I don't believe that I am any better than nor should be treated any differently than anyone else. IMO & I believe I'm still allowed to express one is that people that think they are so much better than others have no class.
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:16 am

samhill wrote:M&G, thanks for the spirited reply, heck I didn't even know I was in a class of people, it in itself shows your colors you believe that you are so much better than us low classers. You talk of taxes not changing for 25 years, where are you located?You talk of liberals running jobs away for 80 years, again what country are you from? I can't speak for people like me only for myself but I believe my question was how much does a person need. Never said that I would even consider stealing from them or anyone else, just that I don't like people stealing from me or anyone else for that matter. The whole point is the middle class has always supported the country & many way too many on both ends have not. I will say you are one of the most ignorant B*****Ds I have ever had the displeasure of indirectly talking to, & that's a good thing, I don't like being called a commie & don't know what would happen if face to face but you have a nice day & go back to running your sweat shop or whatever you have.



samhill, it is obvious you have no real education and limited perspective. You "think" with strong personal emotion. You have been trained and indoctrinated by left wing organizations like the legacy media and the unions. You let jealousy reign in your mind. Thusly, you have been empowered as a "useful idiot" by the left. Unlike the previous lefties on this board, you are genuine follower. The rest were political hacks with an agenda. Your opinion comes from the heart.

You wholeheartedly believe that one's money is not one's own if you question how much a person needs. The money a person "needs" is far less than the minimum wage earner makes. If you check your Bible, it will say you and I need to give it all away because we are rich. But then, the federal government doesn't follow the Bible because, like God, the Constitution promotes free will and all of its possibilities, doesn't it?. Your question is foolish if asked earnestly (because it's not your business) and supportive of the communist position if asked ignorantly (because it helps the commies destroy freedom). Neither is good for the US.
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:34 am

Youser Bossman, youser whatever you say bossman, I didn't mean to say I believe all men are equal. Please don't whip me again bossman.
I would love to meet you in person someday & perhaps have a coffee or beer & a bit of conversation. :lol:
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: brogem On: Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:41 am

Here's a short list of who has allied themselves with the Occupy Movement;


The Communist Party of the United States
The Tarek Mehanna Support Committee (Mehanna is currently charged with providing "material support to a designated foreign terrorist organization," acting as a "media wing" for al-Qaeda, conspiracy to provide material support to terrorists and planning to carry out a “violent jihad” by killing U.S. politicians, attacking American soldiers in Iraq and targeting customers at U.S. shopping malls.)
Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez
Anarchists
The American Nazi Party
Multi-millionaire Michael Moore
Rap music mogul Russell Simmons (even though he's worth a third of a billion dollars.)
Code Pink
The Tagammu Party (a Marxist body working with the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.)
Civil Rights Marcher and current US Congressman John Lewis (but he was shouted down by the protesters.)
Rapper Kanye West (wearing $1,000 jeans.)
The Trotskyite Fourth International
Iranian Revolutionary leader Ayatollah Ali Khamen

full article http://www.examiner.com/article/the-occ ... -of-allies
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:54 am

Brogem, you forgot Satan with all his confirming links.
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:14 pm

He did forget George Soros.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/po ... all-street

Billionaire financier George Soros’ fingerprints, for example, have been all over the anti-Wall Street campaign from the very beginning. And this week, the infamous hedge-fund boss publicly announced his sympathy for the protesters and their complaints about bailouts — despite the fact that he lobbied for even greater unconstitutional handouts to bankers in 2009.

“Actually I can understand their sentiment, frankly,” he told reporters while announcing a large donation to the United Nations. “I can sympathize with their grievances.”

But Soros’ support for the protesters goes far beyond his tepid public statements. In fact, the original call to “Occupy Wall Street” came from the magazine AdBusters, an “anti-consumerist” publication financed by, among other sources, the Soros-funded Tides Foundation.

Other Soros-backed outfits promoting big government — some with myriad ties to the Obama administration — are also publicly driving the occupation campaign. MoveOn.org, for instance, has received millions of dollars from the billionaire banker. And now, the group is urging its supporters to join the Occupy Wall Street movement as well.
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:40 pm

samhill wrote:Youser Bossman, youser whatever you say bossman, I didn't mean to say I believe all men are equal. Please don't whip me again bossman.
I would love to meet you in person someday & perhaps have a coffee or beer & a bit of conversation. :lol:



You might think you believe that all men are created equal but you don't believe in taxing them that way.

I want everyone in this country to have equal OPPORTUNITY. When those opportunities are imperiled by any force I get rather testy. I think you feel the same way, samhill, but from a different perspective. But when you get on the "bash the rich" bandwagon with callous bigotry, I have little respect for your views. The rich deserve the same protections under the law. It is not their obligation to reconcile financial disparities among Americans (though many are generous and attempt to do so when left to their own devices).

I know a lot of rich people. I know a lot of poor people. Both groups have the good and the selfish among them. Those are human traits that exist in men despite their wealth or lack of it. The rich deserve no punishment in general. There are some rich people who helped cause the Great Recession, but most who contributed to the crisis were Democrats in public office, manipulating the economy as adherents to Keynesian economic views. Deficit spending is wrong. It is evil. It is even more hideous than individual greed. It is a conspiracy of high order. It is a collective attempt to bend the law of nature to satisfy a systemic lust for power and possessions without contributing ones' own labor or money. It disgracefully passes the bill to the unborn. I can think of no more putrid action than to steal from your children, born or unborn. It disgusts me.
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:00 pm

VERY well articulated, Mike & Gerry.

I can recall having a deep resentment for wealthy folks when I was in my teens & 20's. My situation sucked back then. Who to blame? Couldn't blame myself - that would be unreasonable (thoughts at the time). :lol: My distaste for the rich was just disgust with myself, & my choices. That was the sole reason for the situation. I could've stayed in my apartment I couldn't afford with my freeloading, unfaithful girlfiend, & wallowed in misery, and just applied for food stamps, heating assistance, welfare, and the myriad of other social programs the "Commonwealth" of Massachusetts likes to hand out like candy ....... OR .... I can do what I did & END the situation. After getting sick & tired of watching everyone drive new cars, buy new houses, new motorcycles, & anything else I wanted, I got off my ass, put down the pipe & made it happen. Dumped the whore girlfriend, moved my crap out, & headed 2,600 miles southwest & never looked back.

If I can do it, ANYONE can.
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:27 pm

M&G, who the heck ever said to tax the wealthy more than the law allows? Under current laws we are all under a graduated tax, like it or not it is a law. Now when it comes to bending & manipulating a law so it favors one side or the other it becomes unfair, when you that are several tax brackets higher than I (from what you lead me to think) feel that because you make more you should somehow be able to not only not pay what you should but indeed be able to pay less than me then I take offense to that. I'm fine with whatever anyone makes, just pay your own way as I & most others do, no more, no less. Seems that people making millions are crying about paying what the law says they owe or even a few bucks more. Get rid of all deductions & loopholes, I'll pay mine you pay yours & shut up & :) .
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: franco b On: Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:19 am

I think most of us will find this more of an objective look than most columnists have had. Well worth the read.
http://dailyreckoning.com/why-a-revolut ... eet-greed/
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:05 pm

Good read, Franco.
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:14 pm

franco b wrote:I think most of us will find this more of an objective look than most columnists have had. Well worth the read.
http://dailyreckoning.com/why-a-revolut ... eet-greed/


I disagree with a few small points. The problem started in 1913 with the Federal Reserve. 1971 was just the final nail in the coffin.

But I did like this part.

This was the proximate cause of the Nixon Administration’s reaction — an actual default on its financial obligations.


I thought I heard recently that the US "never" defaulted before and to do so would cause the earth to spin off its axis! :D
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: franco b On: Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:44 pm

jpete wrote:I thought I heard recently that the US "never" defaulted before and to do so would cause the earth to spin off its axis!

Inflation is also a form of default, just slower, at least in the beginning.

Look at that. here we have jpete and Sam agreeing for the most part on something. All we need now is Dann. There is common ground except how to fix it.
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: plumb-r On: Wed Oct 19, 2011 2:00 pm

I see now if added up that the number of protesters arrested across the US is totaling over 1,000. How many Tea partiers have been arrested,to date? The tea party rallys where much bigger than what I'm seeing from the left ,I mean Occupy wall st crowd. Nuff said. :idea: :D
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: Dann757 On: Wed Oct 19, 2011 3:14 pm

franco b wrote:Look at that. here we have jpete and Sam agreeing for the most part on something. All we need now is Dann. There is common ground except how to fix it. .

Jpete has been relatively tolerant. Samhill seems to be going off the deep end lately. I have found that any attempt at genuine communication with him results in even greater hostility. Some people are just plain cruel.
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I have said it before I will say it again. Obama is not stupid, Obama is not trying to destroy America, he is trying to destroy capitalism. Obama is a Marixist who believes strongly in communism. With that said EVERYTHING he has done and is doing follows along Marxist writings and theory.

To deflect those who will say he is not a Marxist: His favorite college professors Marxists, his favorite books written by Marxists, his parents and grand parents Marxists, their friends Marxists, his administration is full of Marxists and every policy he has passed is Marxist. His pastor of 20 years a Marxist. I know they don't like that term, it is "progressives" now.

Karl Marx said capitalism will eventually fail and communism is the solution and end game. He says you can wait for that to happen or you can accelerate the process by overwhelming the system and destroying capitalism. There will be so much chaos it is easy to take away rights, constitutions and take control as the government savior.

Once that occurs, you impliment communism. This process can only be understood by the "enlightened" government leaders, Obama and the like. The masses are too stupid and ignorant to understand how good communism will be for them so they need to be forced down that path, by any and all means possible. Lie, decieve, create class and race warfare issues, use catastophes and if there are none make some up, the ends justify the means. That is whay everytime Obama speaks about anything you will notice it is always very dramatic and the world will end if we don't do it right away. IE Obamacare, Jobs bill, etc.

If the progression is not fast enough then Karl Marx says you need to kill people to help the greater good achieve "enlightenment". That is why in Russia they killed 60 million of their own people, for the greater good. Of course the greater good is so the top 3% in government leadership can have all power, wealth and remove all means for the masses to ever be able to topple them, including taking all rights, removing all weapons, eliminate religion.

He knows what he is doing, the unfortunate part is we don't think it could ever happen here and we don't know enough about communism to realize what is happening. Most of us don't even know much about our own constitution and the reasoning and brilliance behind the development of the constitution. Read the federalist papers and writings of our founders, they knew we would want to move towards socialism and so they wrote the constitution the best they could to prevent that.
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