The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: brogem On: Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:41 am

Here's a short list of who has allied themselves with the Occupy Movement;


The Communist Party of the United States
The Tarek Mehanna Support Committee (Mehanna is currently charged with providing "material support to a designated foreign terrorist organization," acting as a "media wing" for al-Qaeda, conspiracy to provide material support to terrorists and planning to carry out a “violent jihad” by killing U.S. politicians, attacking American soldiers in Iraq and targeting customers at U.S. shopping malls.)
Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez
Anarchists
The American Nazi Party
Multi-millionaire Michael Moore
Rap music mogul Russell Simmons (even though he's worth a third of a billion dollars.)
Code Pink
The Tagammu Party (a Marxist body working with the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.)
Civil Rights Marcher and current US Congressman John Lewis (but he was shouted down by the protesters.)
Rapper Kanye West (wearing $1,000 jeans.)
The Trotskyite Fourth International
Iranian Revolutionary leader Ayatollah Ali Khamen

full article http://www.examiner.com/article/the-occ ... -of-allies
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:54 am

Brogem, you forgot Satan with all his confirming links.
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:14 pm

He did forget George Soros.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/po ... all-street

Billionaire financier George Soros’ fingerprints, for example, have been all over the anti-Wall Street campaign from the very beginning. And this week, the infamous hedge-fund boss publicly announced his sympathy for the protesters and their complaints about bailouts — despite the fact that he lobbied for even greater unconstitutional handouts to bankers in 2009.

“Actually I can understand their sentiment, frankly,” he told reporters while announcing a large donation to the United Nations. “I can sympathize with their grievances.”

But Soros’ support for the protesters goes far beyond his tepid public statements. In fact, the original call to “Occupy Wall Street” came from the magazine AdBusters, an “anti-consumerist” publication financed by, among other sources, the Soros-funded Tides Foundation.

Other Soros-backed outfits promoting big government — some with myriad ties to the Obama administration — are also publicly driving the occupation campaign. MoveOn.org, for instance, has received millions of dollars from the billionaire banker. And now, the group is urging its supporters to join the Occupy Wall Street movement as well.
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:40 pm

samhill wrote:Youser Bossman, youser whatever you say bossman, I didn't mean to say I believe all men are equal. Please don't whip me again bossman.
I would love to meet you in person someday & perhaps have a coffee or beer & a bit of conversation. :lol:



You might think you believe that all men are created equal but you don't believe in taxing them that way.

I want everyone in this country to have equal OPPORTUNITY. When those opportunities are imperiled by any force I get rather testy. I think you feel the same way, samhill, but from a different perspective. But when you get on the "bash the rich" bandwagon with callous bigotry, I have little respect for your views. The rich deserve the same protections under the law. It is not their obligation to reconcile financial disparities among Americans (though many are generous and attempt to do so when left to their own devices).

I know a lot of rich people. I know a lot of poor people. Both groups have the good and the selfish among them. Those are human traits that exist in men despite their wealth or lack of it. The rich deserve no punishment in general. There are some rich people who helped cause the Great Recession, but most who contributed to the crisis were Democrats in public office, manipulating the economy as adherents to Keynesian economic views. Deficit spending is wrong. It is evil. It is even more hideous than individual greed. It is a conspiracy of high order. It is a collective attempt to bend the law of nature to satisfy a systemic lust for power and possessions without contributing ones' own labor or money. It disgracefully passes the bill to the unborn. I can think of no more putrid action than to steal from your children, born or unborn. It disgusts me.
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:00 pm

VERY well articulated, Mike & Gerry.

I can recall having a deep resentment for wealthy folks when I was in my teens & 20's. My situation sucked back then. Who to blame? Couldn't blame myself - that would be unreasonable (thoughts at the time). :lol: My distaste for the rich was just disgust with myself, & my choices. That was the sole reason for the situation. I could've stayed in my apartment I couldn't afford with my freeloading, unfaithful girlfiend, & wallowed in misery, and just applied for food stamps, heating assistance, welfare, and the myriad of other social programs the "Commonwealth" of Massachusetts likes to hand out like candy ....... OR .... I can do what I did & END the situation. After getting sick & tired of watching everyone drive new cars, buy new houses, new motorcycles, & anything else I wanted, I got off my ass, put down the pipe & made it happen. Dumped the whore girlfriend, moved my crap out, & headed 2,600 miles southwest & never looked back.

If I can do it, ANYONE can.
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:27 pm

M&G, who the heck ever said to tax the wealthy more than the law allows? Under current laws we are all under a graduated tax, like it or not it is a law. Now when it comes to bending & manipulating a law so it favors one side or the other it becomes unfair, when you that are several tax brackets higher than I (from what you lead me to think) feel that because you make more you should somehow be able to not only not pay what you should but indeed be able to pay less than me then I take offense to that. I'm fine with whatever anyone makes, just pay your own way as I & most others do, no more, no less. Seems that people making millions are crying about paying what the law says they owe or even a few bucks more. Get rid of all deductions & loopholes, I'll pay mine you pay yours & shut up & :) .
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: franco b On: Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:19 am

I think most of us will find this more of an objective look than most columnists have had. Well worth the read.
http://dailyreckoning.com/why-a-revolut ... eet-greed/
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:05 pm

Good read, Franco.
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:14 pm

franco b wrote:I think most of us will find this more of an objective look than most columnists have had. Well worth the read.
http://dailyreckoning.com/why-a-revolut ... eet-greed/


I disagree with a few small points. The problem started in 1913 with the Federal Reserve. 1971 was just the final nail in the coffin.

But I did like this part.

This was the proximate cause of the Nixon Administration’s reaction — an actual default on its financial obligations.


I thought I heard recently that the US "never" defaulted before and to do so would cause the earth to spin off its axis! :D
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: franco b On: Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:44 pm

jpete wrote:I thought I heard recently that the US "never" defaulted before and to do so would cause the earth to spin off its axis!

Inflation is also a form of default, just slower, at least in the beginning.

Look at that. here we have jpete and Sam agreeing for the most part on something. All we need now is Dann. There is common ground except how to fix it.
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: plumb-r On: Wed Oct 19, 2011 2:00 pm

I see now if added up that the number of protesters arrested across the US is totaling over 1,000. How many Tea partiers have been arrested,to date? The tea party rallys where much bigger than what I'm seeing from the left ,I mean Occupy wall st crowd. Nuff said. :idea: :D
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: Dann757 On: Wed Oct 19, 2011 3:14 pm

franco b wrote:Look at that. here we have jpete and Sam agreeing for the most part on something. All we need now is Dann. There is common ground except how to fix it. .

Jpete has been relatively tolerant. Samhill seems to be going off the deep end lately. I have found that any attempt at genuine communication with him results in even greater hostility. Some people are just plain cruel.
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I have said it before I will say it again. Obama is not stupid, Obama is not trying to destroy America, he is trying to destroy capitalism. Obama is a Marixist who believes strongly in communism. With that said EVERYTHING he has done and is doing follows along Marxist writings and theory.

To deflect those who will say he is not a Marxist: His favorite college professors Marxists, his favorite books written by Marxists, his parents and grand parents Marxists, their friends Marxists, his administration is full of Marxists and every policy he has passed is Marxist. His pastor of 20 years a Marxist. I know they don't like that term, it is "progressives" now.

Karl Marx said capitalism will eventually fail and communism is the solution and end game. He says you can wait for that to happen or you can accelerate the process by overwhelming the system and destroying capitalism. There will be so much chaos it is easy to take away rights, constitutions and take control as the government savior.

Once that occurs, you impliment communism. This process can only be understood by the "enlightened" government leaders, Obama and the like. The masses are too stupid and ignorant to understand how good communism will be for them so they need to be forced down that path, by any and all means possible. Lie, decieve, create class and race warfare issues, use catastophes and if there are none make some up, the ends justify the means. That is whay everytime Obama speaks about anything you will notice it is always very dramatic and the world will end if we don't do it right away. IE Obamacare, Jobs bill, etc.

If the progression is not fast enough then Karl Marx says you need to kill people to help the greater good achieve "enlightenment". That is why in Russia they killed 60 million of their own people, for the greater good. Of course the greater good is so the top 3% in government leadership can have all power, wealth and remove all means for the masses to ever be able to topple them, including taking all rights, removing all weapons, eliminate religion.

He knows what he is doing, the unfortunate part is we don't think it could ever happen here and we don't know enough about communism to realize what is happening. Most of us don't even know much about our own constitution and the reasoning and brilliance behind the development of the constitution. Read the federalist papers and writings of our founders, they knew we would want to move towards socialism and so they wrote the constitution the best they could to prevent that.
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Oct 19, 2011 3:20 pm

Dann757 wrote: Obama is not stupid, Obama is not trying to destroy America, he is trying to destroy capitalism.


What I want to know is which POTUS in our lifetime has done anything different?

It's all incremental-ism. Some take bigger steps than others, but they've all moved the ball down the field until we get here.

I just wish people would give up the left/right paradigm.
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: franco b On: Wed Oct 19, 2011 3:38 pm

jpete wrote:I just wish people would give up the left/right paradigm.

It is only the right that favors less government.

Even right leaning presidents have been thwarted by Congress just as Obama is now in his push to the left.
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: Dann757 On: Wed Oct 19, 2011 3:53 pm

jpete wrote:What I want to know is which POTUS in our lifetime has done anything different?


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