The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:06 am

The ridiculous demands of the protesters:

Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending "Freetrade" by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.

Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.

Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.

Demand four: Free college education.

Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.

Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.

Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.

Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.

Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.

Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.

Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.

Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.

Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.

These demands will create so many jobs it will be completely impossible to fill them without an open borders policy.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/


Their greed is worse than Wall St because they don't plan on taking any risk for their remuneration. Was there any mention of what society gets for the wages they demand? At least corporations tell you what you get for the price they charge.
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:13 am

I know you are being sarcastic so I would ask how you plan on "guaranteeing a living wage" for example?

Seen Greece lately?
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: anthony7812 On: Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:16 am

Howudoin2427 wrote:I definitely agree that some people are lazy and I agree that there are plenty of jobs out there and people have to get off their ass, but that is a completely different issue even if they get jobs that doesn't fix the government and how our society is being run. Something has to be done our politicians have forgotten that they work for us. .................. I also think if we are going to give money away for unemployment/welfare they should be drug tested first off just like everybody who has to get a normal job and they also should have to do some sort of work for the money. Help clean the streets,mow lawns anything. And I don't think it is too much to ask they are paying you. It would also save cities money on paying private companies to do the work.




We are on the same page. Good to hear. I am all for public welfare services.. *censored* happens and we should take care of each other. But I am with you for testing and creating some type of public works for welfare recieps. What was the works back in the early 1900's the CCC groups. Fixed parks and built ditches on flood zones things of that nature and in turn they were paid and fed and provided living quarters. Now i know doesnt sound like fun but nobody is making you collect that gov. check. I hear the invasion of privacy scream but once again dont agree to the terms dont take the check. Its not a right...only a privilege. Follow the rules set forth and i have no problem. I dont like the rules talk to elected officials then vote for whom I think will be most in line either right or left. Anyway yelling and screaming on the streets gets media attention but all the fat cats just go to their vacation homes in other countries.. so what is really gonna happen?
Maybe i am pessimistic but money talks... and they have it. Sad part is we may have let them. I am far from an Obama supporter but what % of income taxes do you pay and what % of income taxes do the "fat cats" pay. Im sorry but an even % across the board sounds better to me, but im not rich lol.
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: Dann757 On: Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:17 am

samhill wrote:My understanding is that this group was neither left nor right, they just want some action from the Gov. & believe that Wall St. & any others that share blame for the sudden downturn in the economy if there was any wrong doing. The left wanting some of the same just started to align with them, simple as that.


HAHAHAHAHA OMG keep working on your comedy writing you could have a second career. Don't forget to bring jpete a pb&j when you meet him with the hipsters. He's too busy being above it all to bring his lunch.
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:22 am

Dan, prove me wrong Ha Ha.
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: gaw On: Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:38 am


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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: Dann757 On: Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:55 am

samhill wrote:Dan, prove me wrong Ha Ha.


"Oh Dan, entertain me I'm bored, and I've found another excuse to carry my subconscious grudge against US Steel."





“I think part of people’s frustrations, part of my frustration, was a lot of [lending] practices that should not have been allowed weren’t necessarily against the law, but they had a huge destructive impact,” the president said at a midday news conference Thursday.

Unbelievable! All the lending practices initiated and forced on us by the Democrats.

Hey thanks so much for uniting the country Al-Maobamarx!







Look at the man behind the curtain, Steve Lerner, (also Wade Rathke of Acorn) a radical union guy who even the UNIONS didn't identify with. The same man who staged the demonstrations in Wisconsin--which the taxpayers finally ousted after their OWN elections supporting Walker--NOT the unions..

He's the SAME man who named these events "Days of Rage," who, if you know anything about the 60s, will recognize that is the SAME name--Days of Rage--assigned by Bill Ayers/Bernadette Dorn and the Weather Underground, a government-labeled communist terrorist organization, to their activities that ended up in bombings and innocent people dying.

Educate yourself you have all day,correct?

Jpete, you're a machinist, correct? Why don't you go down to Wall street and offer a hippie an apprenticeship?

OK yell at y'all later I gotta go work for a living.



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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Oct 07, 2011 1:06 pm

Dan, there were no guns held to anybodies head, if you do some investigating many of those loans were from well to do people that didn't want to accept the fact that their houses were now worth less. They walked away even knowing that they could afford it, lenders refused to refinance for the most part because they didn't even know who now had the morgage. There are many homes that lost value because the area went bad, there is no sure thing with real estate. As long as they were betting & winning it was fine, when they started to lose it was a different story. They were playing with investors money so what did they care, they get their commission either way.
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Oct 07, 2011 1:49 pm

Dann757 wrote:
samhill wrote:My understanding is that this group was neither left nor right, they just want some action from the Gov. & believe that Wall St. & any others that share blame for the sudden downturn in the economy if there was any wrong doing. The left wanting some of the same just started to align with them, simple as that.


HAHAHAHAHA OMG keep working on your comedy writing you could have a second career. Don't forget to bring jpete a pb&j when you meet him with the hipsters. He's too busy being above it all to bring his lunch.


Are you on drugs?

When have I supported the OWS group?

I'm sorry you can't handle facts. But they are what they are.

In fact, I think I came right out and said I am diametrically opposed to the demands of this group. I even challenged M&G to explain how just one of their goals should be accomplished.
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Oct 07, 2011 1:52 pm

Dann757 wrote:Jpete, you're a machinist, correct? Why don't you go down to Wall street and offer a hippie an apprenticeship?


I used to be. Reagan, GHWB, and Clinton got together and came up with NAFTA and now some Mexican is doing my job.

And government control and regulation stomped out all the apprenticeships so those don't exist anymore.

I had to pay out of my pocket to get a degree before I was able to make chips.
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: Dann757 On: Fri Oct 07, 2011 4:07 pm

jpete wrote:Are you on drugs?

When have I supported the OWS group?

I'm sorry you can't handle facts. But they are what they are.


HAHAHAHA yes I am on drugs. Too much coffee and I'm also a hipster pothead. :lol:

Sam, sorry to get ugly but you're used to it by now. Just remember, the protesters are exactly the same kind of people that spit on soldiers returning from Viet Nam. And also, you have actually cracked my hard right wing shell in a few places. I realize that some multinational corporations put profit way above patriotism.

jpete wrote:I used to be. Reagan, GHWB, and Clinton got together and came up with NAFTA and now some Mexican is doing my job.

And government control and regulation stomped out all the apprenticeships so those don't exist anymore.

I had to pay out of my pocket to get a degree before I was able to make chips.


OK man, I apologize to you too. Lord forgive me and help the starvin pygmies in New Guinea. I tend to be argumentative, it says so in my astrological birthday horoscope book.
You say some libertarian things that seem liberal to me quite a lot. I'll try to understand before I fly off the handle.

I go to the local farm stand for milk now, because the A&P is out of control with pricing. They always have cute teenage girls working there and I like to talk to them. I asked a girl today " How come you're not with the protesters? "
She said, "Can't afford it."
I said, "Yeah, you're working! That I respect!"
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: Berlin On: Fri Oct 07, 2011 5:19 pm

It's not the job of corporations to be patriotic, it's the job of a nation to create an environment where business thrives.

When did greed become inherently evil? When did americans stop realizing that the struggle for individual wealth, achievement and liberty propels us collectively forward?

It IS the government which has sent your jobs overseas, government which bailed out banks, government which eliminated important risks to poor business and banking strategies, government which has created companies too big to fail by making it almost impossible for a small startup to conduct business in a number of different fields, and government which has created an atmosphere where employees are the last thing a business wants to have more of.

There is nothing wrong with profit or profit-seeking.

God help our nation, if even our libertarians and conservatives don't understand the ideas and discoveries of the enlightenment we have only decline ahead of us.
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Oct 07, 2011 6:33 pm

Dann757 wrote:OK man, I apologize to you too. Lord forgive me and help the starvin pygmies in New Guinea. I tend to be argumentative, it says so in my astrological birthday horoscope book.
You say some libertarian things that seem liberal to me quite a lot. I'll try to understand before I fly off the handle.


The FF were "liberal". What you, and I, disagree with are "progressives". There is some confusion among the general population. Intentional I believe.

I don't hold any beliefs I can't back up with the constitution. If that's "liberal"(read, "bad") to you, then so be it.
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: VigIIPeaBurner On: Fri Oct 07, 2011 7:46 pm

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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: Dann757 On: Fri Oct 07, 2011 9:35 pm

Vig, could you have soren explain to me what truth is..... lol ya got me into Kierkegaard now he said some off the wall s***


The truth is a snare: you cannot have it, without being caught. You cannot have the truth in such a way that you catch it, but only in such a way that it catches you.
Soren Kierkegaard


I begin with the principle that all men are bores. Surely no one will prove himself so great a bore as to contradict me in this.
Soren Kierkegaard



A lot of serious good points here. I'm just so happy some work came along for me, I fixed my own truck with the help of the members here,
I don't think the world owes me a living. :D
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