The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Oct 09, 2011 6:38 pm

Dann757 wrote:What the heck are you trying to pull? The FDA is the entity that issued the recall. I don't feel like cut and pasting a thousand articles on the subject just for the pleasure of proving you wrong. :)



I know the FDA issued the recall. How many government inspections did the facility pass before then?

The FDA is always for something before they are against it. :D
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:04 pm

jpete wrote:You COULD have a "totally free" market if government did what it was supposed to do.



I KNOW!!!! I agree!!!!

My point is that mankind's ego and imperfections will NEVER allow any government to do what it is supposed to do. The natural cycle of things will be anarchy, limited government, more government, totalitarianism, social breakdown and then back to anarchy (briefly)!
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:16 pm

Private prisons do not cost less, & how many people would die without the FDA? Dead people don't get the opportunity to sue & is suing someone the answer? Doctors report suspicious deaths to the FDA which then See's if there is a pattern, orders more tests & starts an investigation. It becomes a very time consuming labor intensive & detail oriented process that most people would ever be able to afford. If you do find fault a single person has little resources to fight a large incorporated farm. At the very best they might be offered a small cash settlement which does nothing to solve the problem. As for the prisons, http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/19/us/19 ... wanted=all.
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:31 pm

How many people die WITH the FDA?

And what is your recourse if you do?

And QUASI private prisons may not cost less because there is still too much government involvement.

A completely private prison, that is, constructed, maintained, staffed, etc. privately, has to cost less for the taxpayer.

No construction cost, no collective bargaining unit, no pensions to fund.

Of course, if the government would end the ridiculous War on Drugs and all the other non victim "crimes", we wouldn't need so many prisons.
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Oct 09, 2011 9:06 pm

Does the private prison also decide who has committed a crime & what sentence will be served? Come on now they get these prisoners for a fee charged to the Gov. agency involved, pay off a politician or two, as you said build, supply & man a prison & they are doing this all for a return on their money that they would never recoup? Just like any private enterprise they are in it to make money, bottom line it's tax payer dollars & they know all they have to do is the cost over run song & dance & the tax payer foots the bill. Just wondering what the heck is a victimless crime?
Last I read it was 15 dead from the last cantaloupe poisoning, if there were no agency to connect the dots how many more could have possibly died since that strain can stay in your body for quite some time before it ever flairs up. Not saying that everything they do is necessary but like with most things there was a reason for them in the first place & also like most some tend to take things to extremes to make themselves look good, for myself I would much prefer having food safety than not.
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Oct 09, 2011 9:24 pm

The courts decide who is guilty. The constitution and all that. :)

The fee for holding a prisoner would be by contract. No cost over runs allowed. I understand the bill would be padded, but there is a layer of management between the costs and the taxpayer. Unlike now where the people in charge of taxation deal directly labor and other costs.

A "victimless" crime would be drug use/possession or prostitution, etc.
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: Dann757 On: Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:02 am

jpete wrote:A "victimless" crime would be drug use/possession or prostitution, etc.


Well there's another vague debatable statement.

It's interesting that the feds are cracking down on the California medical marijuana dispensaries! My theory is that Obama would see more benefit in stirring up the users than placating them. I think he wants as much civil unrest as possible. Looks like Holder is in some more hot water now with Fast and Furious-gate.

jpete wrote:I know the FDA issued the recall. How many government inspections did the facility pass before then?


Illegals crapping in the fields.
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"If you do find fault a single person has little resources to fight a large incorporated farm." ~ Samhill.

Sam you're absolutely brilliant in making every issue the fault of corporations :)

You could get an Erin Brokovich type to help you.



http://getoffwallstreet.com/2011/10/09/ows-to-nypd-you-risked-your-life-for-me-on-911-now-ill-crap-on-your-car/
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: Dann757 On: Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:24 am

Somebody else's rant :D :

"In the sixties and seventies Liberals did have balls, you have to admit...They were not like the money and government worshipping pieces of rat *censored* like they are today. Liberals of yesterday hated government, weren't afraid to bomb police stations, Liberal women hated their bras, we had the best music in history, and they knew who, where, and how to protest. Today's Liberals are such a sorry sack of human feces. Todays Liberals absolutely love government, have no individuality, love personal wealth, love Marxism, love and simply eat up all that Hollywood has to say, love child molesters and think we should be more understanding, think that NBC, ABC, CBS, and CNN tell the truth, think that people who supply the jobs in this country should be burned at the stake, love early releases for common criminals, think its ok for children to have abortions without their parents consent, want rights to walk around nude in San Francisco, bitch about the entire state of California yet they keep voting in the likes of of Boxer and Feinstein, agree with the the World Court that Bush, Cheney, and Rummy should be put in jail, oh, but I thought they LOVED government...they do as long as the Messiah is in charge. I mean, all you have to say is that this disgusting group still thinks Obama is doing a good job; Can you imagine thinking this?? Liberals should pack their filthy bags and go somewhere where they can rule as they like. Liberals have lost their way and need a new beginning...maybe North Korea, or Venezuala. Although, imagine the surprise on their faces after they get thrown in jail for smoking a joint in public. Liberals have no clue and they wont find it in the greatest country on earth either. Get the *censored* out of our country Liberals and go somewhere where your understood....like Mars "
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Mon Oct 10, 2011 1:58 am

Somebody else's rant?

I thought it sounded just like you! :D

Actually, I wish it was mine. Good rant!
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:34 am

jpete wrote:A "victimless" crime would be drug use/possession or prostitution, etc.


There are no victimless crimes - some merely impact you directly more then others. You end up paying for increased security both in business and for additional police, cleaning up damage to neighborhoods and countless other impacts to society, i.e. the impact to people standing by - kids, families, etc. There's always a victim and there's always a cost to everyone else. Things become illegal when that cost is considered too high by the people. Lisa
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:01 am

Dan, without even looking into it I would bet that the farm in question is a Corp. as are most of any size, there are many reasons to become incorporated, heck you would be amazed at how many individuals are S Corp.s. & even one more time I'll say to you that I could care less what you are or what you have as long as you pay your own way. Naturally you won't get that simply that to you nothing is black or white it can only be left or right, you'll never come to terms that they are for the most part one in the same.
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: Dann757 On: Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:16 am

samhill wrote:& even one more time I'll say to you that I could care less what you are or what you have as long as you pay your own way.


You mean even corporations? They pay their own way. ;)

samhill wrote:Naturally you won't get that simply that to you nothing is black or white it can only be left or right, you'll never come to terms that they are for the most part one in the same.


Could you help me understand that amazing self-contradictory statement? I'm not as perceptive as you are in your absolute political knowledge. :shock:
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:30 am

lowfog01 wrote:
jpete wrote:A "victimless" crime would be drug use/possession or prostitution, etc.


There are no victimless crimes - some merely impact you directly more then others. You end up paying for increased security both in business and for additional police, cleaning up damage to neighborhoods and countless other impacts to society, i.e. the impact to people standing by - kids, families, etc. There's always a victim and there's always a cost to everyone else. Things become illegal when that cost is considered too high by the people. Lisa


So the billions of dollars spent on the LE, courts, and incarceration industries, along with every bodies loss of personal freedom is preferable to just letting people that want to take drugs, takes drugs?

You automatically jump to "Mexican drug war" which is in itself caused by the prohibition of drugs and you're exactly wrong.

When was the last time someone got gunned down over bootleg alcohol? It doesn't happen because it's legal.

Things become illegal when people think they can run others lives better than the individual.

Property crimes, burglary, etc. is ALREADY a crime and obviously NOT victimless. You ASSUME drug use leads to property crime. But maybe I just want to buy a new X-Box, or hell, maybe I want to feed my kids because I haven't had a job in a year and a half. Do you propose to make video games and food illegal?

Same with prostitution. Why can't two consenting adults enter into a contractual agreement? I'm sure you'll point out human trafficking and such but the kidnapping is the crime, not the prostitution.

Prohibition opens and expands the black market for goods and services because there is a demand for those goods and services. Any attempt to ban them is wasted time and money. And often you end up punishing perfectly law abiding people.
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:03 am

What I'm saying Dan is that everything you don't like is a leftist plot of some sort. Lets just take welfare for an example, we had Bush in there for 8 years most of which with control of the houses, why didn't he do anything about welfare? Welfare also started just about the same time the country did, it didn't just happen with Roosevelt who started calling it by the modern day name. At times & under certain circumstances it's needed but it has been allowed to be morphed into a way of life. Could be changed at any time by either party if they had any guts.
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: Dann757 On: Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:06 am

samhill wrote:What I'm saying Dan is that everything you don't like is a leftist plot of some sort.


Interesting general conclusion. I'll just agree with you from now on.

samhill wrote:we had Bush in there for 8 years


the blame Bush thing is so yesterday, so passe'.


Just got back from the evil corporation Costco where I got delicious fresh produce and other evil corporate food. Solyndra ya later, I'm going to go pay for it by working for an evil corporate lawyer, they like to keep their property well maintained.


Hope you get a chance to enjoy the outdoors today.
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