The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: Paulie On: Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:23 pm

Every game needs a ref- the question is the rules. The protests on wall street are just the beginning. Some have jumped
on with a political agenda,mere opportunist, the core issue is we are getting screwed-working harder for less, etc. Bail outs, , driving
the economy into a ditch, to big to fail,bs packaging of investments, what ever- and what were the punishments to those who dropped the ball and harmed the country? We work harder and they get a bonus. THAT is what the protests are about, I am surprised it did not happen sooner. Gov has a role, and that is to keep the game clean- it's not getting done. Do it with more, do it with less,do it from the right, do it from the left, just do it already. I fear what is to come if we stay
on the path we are. Neither party is showing leadership or problem solving ability. They point fingers well, fund raise better,
but what about the country? People are in the streets, unrest is rising, not good.
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: freetown fred On: Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:54 pm

All this nonsense reminds me of the 60's with the Abby Hoffmans, the Bobby Seales,& the wait for it---the Jane Fondas :mad: :( anyway, the system was all screwed up so their move was to bring it down---one problem---nothing to replace it. Sooooo, here we are people--I don't want to hear replace it with the "Constitution"--It'd be nice but, get real kids--big money has & always will run this Country. When those powers decide that we the working class have rolled in the $$hit long enough, then & only then will some changes come about. The only thing I as an individual can do is keep my own back yard straight & to have raised my kids with the morals & ethics I was raised with. By God it worked on most of them--out of 6--one can't stay out of jail (he keeps thinkin other peoples stuff should be his and one is so self serving & money hungry she cares not who gets stepped on on her rise to comfort---unfortunatly, in some circles she would be the "ELITE" :( --the other 4 are silly enough to get out in the work force & live within their means and actually care about others--4 out of six--not bad according to Jimmy the Greek's numbers.
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Oct 10, 2011 2:12 pm

Doing better than me Fred, I'm only at 50%. Thats all I know of for sure anyhow but I have heard some rumors. :cry:
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: Dann757 On: Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:14 pm

jpete wrote:When was the last time someone got gunned down over bootleg alcohol? It doesn't happen because it's legal.


Look i know we're all tossing ideas around here it's a forum after all, but do you really think anybody is going to buy statements like that one? Once again your purist outlook on society just doesn't match reality.


9.(2006 - alcohol deaths) "In 2006, a total of 22,073 persons died of alcohol-induced causes in the United States (Tables 23 and 24). This category includes not only deaths from dependent and nondependent use of alcohol, but also accidental poisoning by alcohol. It excludes unintentional injuries, homicides, and other causes indirectly related to alcohol use as well as deaths due to fetal alcohol syndrome."

(2007 - alcohol deaths) "In 2007, a total of 23,199 persons died of alcohol-induced causes in the United States, 1,126 more deaths than in 2006."

Source: Heron MP, Hoyert DL, Murphy SL, Xu JQ, Kochanek KD, Tejada-Vera B. Deaths: Final data for 2006. National vital statistics reports; vol 57 no 14. Hyattsville, MD: National Center for Health Statistics. 2009, p, 11.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr57/nvsr57_14.pdf

Xu JQ, Kochanek KD, Murphy SL, Tejada-Vera B. Deaths: Final data for 2007. National vital statistics reports; vol 58 no 19. Hyattsville, MD: National Center for Health Statistics. 2010. p. 11.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr58/nvsr58_19.pdf
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Oct 10, 2011 8:48 pm

And those deaths were due to one gang fighting over turf with another gang?

Or maybe a shootout with government agents?

According to the CDC, that doesn't even make the top 10

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/lcod.htm

Heart disease kills 30 times more people. Shouldn't we outlaw red meat and saturated fats?
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:43 pm

Dann757 wrote:
jpete wrote:The DOH and the FDA haven't done anything about(most recently) listeria in cantaloupes, or e. coli in spinach before that, and I can't even recall how many similar incidents.


What the heck are you trying to pull? The FDA is the entity that issued the recall. I don't feel like cut and pasting a thousand articles on the subject just for the pleasure of proving you wrong. :)


Good thing the FDA is on "our" side huh? :?


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/10/10/eveningnews/main20118283.shtml
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.



Colchicine has been used to treat gout and other inflammatory conditions for thousands of years. How could one company gain a monopoly?

"One company chose to seek FDA approval and they spent tens of millions of dollars in order to present data necessary for that approval and in the process, there were some important things that came out of the approval process," Autor said. "We discovered a lot of people were being excessively dosed with Colchicine."

It told us the cost of an average 23-day prescription - including pharmacy charges - has risen from under $6.72 to $185.53.


And the kicker?

There are about 1,000 other unapproved medications currently on the market. Since the FDA does not control drug pricing, there's little to stop similar price hikes from happening again.


Geez, I wonder how they will get people to beg for Obamacare?
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:09 pm

Occupy Boston...
Starting to get ugly...
The occupy folks have expanded their turf...
The cops are moving in...
Tomorrow will be an interesting day...
Too bad I have to go into Boston on Wednesday...
http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/loca ... ton-sites/
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:10 pm

They are just about to cover it on the local news. It's going to be interesting when all these Obama supporters start getting billy clubbed and pepper sprayed.

Maybe we can have another "Red Sox Riot" pepper ball incident?
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:26 pm

They are tellin' them to take out their contacts...
'cause the pepper spray will burn them in...
They have no permit and now they are pushing the limits of their welcome...
Cops asked them on twitter to go back to the original location...
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:57 am

Paulie wrote:Every game needs a ref- the question is the rules. The protests on wall street are just the beginning. Some have jumped
on with a political agenda,mere opportunist, the core issue is we are getting screwed-working harder for less, etc. Bail outs, , driving
the economy into a ditch, to big to fail,bs packaging of investments, what ever- and what were the punishments to those who dropped the ball and harmed the country? We work harder and they get a bonus. THAT is what the protests are about, I am surprised it did not happen sooner. Gov has a role, and that is to keep the game clean- it's not getting done. Do it with more, do it with less,do it from the right, do it from the left, just do it already. I fear what is to come if we stay
on the path we are. Neither party is showing leadership or problem solving ability. They point fingers well, fund raise better,
but what about the country? People are in the streets, unrest is rising, not good.


The rules are: The rich get do richer (because they are smarter and work smarter). He who has the gold makes the rules (money is power). These rules have been in force since the dawn of man. Nothing has changed. Nothing about them will change.

What the OWSers are experiencing is merely a shift in economic fortunes. It is an inevitable change in a country with free trade borders and an over-paid unskilled workforce. The protesters know this because they have tariffs as a demand on one of their websites. The politicians will tell them that it is possible to change the course of events, but history suggests otherwise. Labor remains an economic commodity, despite what unions and the NYS Constitution may say. Global equilibrium in the price of unskilled labor has not been achieved and it is a long time off. Left wing efforts to forestall these events will only lead to turmoil and unrest. If they are successful in causing a revolution they will usher in an era of misery that will be worse than the pain of equilibrating.

No one is getting screwed by corporate greed unless they allowed themselves to be screwed. It's very simple. The government causes most of our economic problems by attempting to manage economic forces that are better left to nature. In the government's desire to help the people achieve the "American dream" of owning their own home, they enabled the free lending policies that caused the housing market to over-heat and bubble up. The action was counter to market principles and thus the gains must be given back as the system returns to equilibrium because it cannot sustain the forced change. The balance was upset and now it must return to equilibrium after tumultuous swings. It could have been prevented but the government meddled.

Granted, corporations are also at fault for devising instruments to reduce systemic market risk (derivatives) despite that being impossible by definition. But, I expect them to do stupid things like that. What I don't expect is for the government to bail them out. Not because I don't want the pain managed, but because I know the pain only returns worse than the first time. Had the federal regulatory agencies actually done their job in overseeing the derivatives in the first place, all of the world's fears of collapse could have been prevented. Our dysfunctional government is at fault.

However, the OWSers have no better plan and never will. They are NOT focused on any reform, only on destruction. They have only whining complaints and ridiculous demands. Their unrest is wholly without merit. For over a decade, during the Great Depression, there was little unrest from the people despite horrible poverty. Why? They had character and a work ethic. The OWSers are snot-nosed brats who can't even collect their thoughts in a coherent manner for a simple interview. They have no dedication to our republic, only for "democracy" (as in the one party/communal kind). It is a stark difference that will earn them communist stripes.
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: cabinover On: Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:10 am

If it's a nice weekend again I think I'll go occupy Malta with StokerScot for an hour or so and have a coffee. :D
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:58 am

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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: Dann757 On: Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:20 am

jpete wrote:Heart disease kills 30 times more people. Shouldn't we outlaw red meat and saturated fats?


One of the Scandinavian countries has already done that recently with a heavy tax.

Anyway, so what?
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_________Cause of death Number _______
All causes 2,436,652

Cardiovascular diseases 779,367
Malignant neoplasms 568,668
Drug induced2 37,485
Suicide 36,547
Motor vehicle accidents 36,284
Septicemia (infections) 35,587
by Firearms 31,224
Accidental poisoning 30,504
Alcohol induced 23,199
Homicide 16,591
Human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) 9,424
Viral hepatitis 7,652
Cannabis (Marijuana) 0


Are you sure you aren't a liberal jpete? You only answer questions with other questions. You think Ron Paul has a chance. Why don't you just make a paper airplane out of the Constitution and launch it into the air over America? Maybe little sparkly glittery justice crystals will fall out the back and enlighten the masses in a grand display of perfect justice.

I would love to understand why I vehemently oppose half your ideas and completely agree with the other half :lol:

Even after my rant about my motor vehicle injustices, I will have close to zero sympathy for the OWS'ers. HAHAHA that's what they're gonna be saying, "OWWWWSSS!!!" Let the cops dispense justice....

Of course I need to cherish the right to protest in this country, I think the OWS'ers however, are classic "useful idiots", the phase coined by Lenin.
Everyone has heard the rumors that Oboe wants civil unrest so he can declare martial law and declare himself commie in chief.

In 1971 I was a rebellious teenager, with only my already liberal older brother trying to look after me. I got ahold of Steal This Book by Abbie Hoffman. I promptly tried to buy some #10 brass flat washers. Tape over the hole and you could use them as dimes in vending machines and game the system. Shortly after that I got my first small jobs and found that much more realistic and gratifying. :)

It's just my opinion that it's mostly left wing democrats that have sold out this country, kissed the globalists asses, and put the USA and traditional morals aside.
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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:19 am

Boston police ........ issued leaflets saying protesters could not occupy the greenway.

Way to work Boston! Next, they'll issue leaflets to terrorists telling them they cannot bomb the Zakim bridge or the Callahan Tunnel. :funny: :funny: :funny:

Mumbles Menino at work ... :roll:

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Re: The "Occupy Wall St" Protest

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:46 am

Dann757 wrote:I would love to understand why I vehemently oppose half your ideas and completely agree with the other half :lol:


Because I am a "classical" liberal. That is opposed to a "progressive" liberal who cause most of the problems we see today. Neo cons cause the other half. ;)

The FF were classical liberals. The believed in the sovereignty of the individual rather than a divine king and a limited government rather than an unlimited one.

Your ideas I find are mutually exclusive. You want less taxes but more government intervention. Overseas at least. It can't work that way because militarism costs money. And since government doesn't have that rewarding job you keep talking about, they have to wrest the money from the populace.

You seem to be OK with government taking money from people, as long as they don't take it from you.

Excuse me if I got that wrong, that's just my impression from this corner of the internet.
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