Shelves with Wheels

Shelves with Wheels

PostBy: Richard S. On: Fri Oct 07, 2011 6:05 am

I'm going to be building my friend new shelves with wheels in 8 foot sections. The idea is he'll be able to wheel the contents of the store right out the door onto a truck in the event this ever happens again. There's is some other benefits such as easier cleaning and if they want to rearrange the shelves. The name of the store is "Old Mill Pine" so this is going to work out well because I can get 1 inch rough cut pine and just plane one side. Give it a really nice old time feeling.. I'm going to make a base framed out with 2*4's and and a piece of 3/4 plywood for the bottom shelf instead of the pine so it's bit stronger, there's going to be some pretty heavy *censored* on some this. He has a spray paint rack I figured is about one thousand pounds and the bolt and nut racks have to weigh thousands, that I will have to reinforce with some angle iron in addition to the 2*4 framing

Anyone have any experience with shelves on wheels? Better idea? The other idea I was tossing around was no wheels and instead slots for pallet jacks but that brings up the issue of getting it on the truck and because of the length maneuvering it on the truck once inside. He has a loading dock same floor height as the store but it's only about 2 feet off the ground outside. My brother has some C channel he put together for the old house to get his tools out the basement I was going to re-purpose for this, you'd just use it like a bridge.
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Re: Shelves with Wheels

PostBy: WNY On: Fri Oct 07, 2011 7:56 am

If you make them 4 foot long, they would fit the width of most pick up truck beds if needed put in sideways, then if completely full, not quite so heavy.
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Re: Shelves with Wheels

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Oct 07, 2011 9:22 am

I would agree with the 4 ft. lengths, a lot stronger & if you could get a truck with a lift gate all the better, you would still have to concern yourself with stuff falling off the shelves. Larger wheels make for easier movement.
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Re: Shelves with Wheels

PostBy: RAYJAY On: Fri Oct 07, 2011 4:01 pm

samhill wrote:I would agree with the 4 ft. lengths, a lot stronger & if you could get a truck with a lift gate all the better, you would still have to concern yourself with stuff falling off the shelves. Larger wheels make for easier movement.



I WOULD DO 3 FOOT SECTIONS WITH THAT WEIGHT, AND MAKE THEM SO THE PALLET JACK CAN MOVE THEM NO COST ON BUYING WHEELS BUT ALL THE BENEFITS, AS FOR STUFF FALLING OFF KEEP A COUPLE OF ROLLS OF SKID WRAP ON HAND........
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Re: Shelves with Wheels

PostBy: Richard S. On: Fri Oct 07, 2011 6:55 pm

WNY wrote:If you make them 4 foot long, they would fit the width of most pick up truck beds if needed put in sideways, then if completely full, not quite so heavy.


Pickups aren't going to cut it, and neither will anything less than 8 feet. As far as the trucks go he'll need something he can fill up and leave parked out of the rain. He could probably fill 3 tractor trailers so it's tractor trailers or whole bunch of uhauls. Most likely tractor trailers because he has a friend told him call him anytime and he'll have as many as he wants there within an hour. It's probably 500 feet of 5 tiered shelves, bins and peg board packed to the max and that may even be conservative, . It's a big store.

These are after the flood and the merchandise that was untouched. Aisle 1:
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Aisle 2:
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Looking across the whole store in other direction:
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Re: Shelves with Wheels

PostBy: WNY On: Fri Oct 07, 2011 7:05 pm

Ah, gotcha...a pic is worth about 1000 words..... :)
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Re: Shelves with Wheels

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:51 pm

Use the largest diameter wheels you can.
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Re: Shelves with Wheels

PostBy: SMITTY On: Fri Oct 07, 2011 11:28 pm

I was just gonna say .... if they were 4' wide you'd run right into the raised wheelwells found in all pickup beds except stepsides.. but those aren't 4' wide to begin with. ;)

Yeah you need a box truck - a heavy ass one, for all that stuff.
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Re: Shelves with Wheels

PostBy: jim d On: Fri Oct 07, 2011 11:52 pm

the bed on my p/u is 4' wide inside of the wheel wells
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Re: Shelves with Wheels

PostBy: Yanche On: Fri Oct 07, 2011 11:56 pm

Richard S. wrote:I'm going to be building my friend new shelves with wheels in 8 foot sections. The idea is he'll be able to wheel the contents of the store right out the door onto a truck in the event this ever happens again.

Anyone have any experience with shelves on wheels? Better idea? The other idea I was tossing around was no wheels and instead slots for pallet jacks but that brings up the issue of getting it on the truck and because of the length maneuvering it on the truck once inside. He has a loading dock same floor height as the store but it's only about 2 feet off the ground outside.

How about a shelf design w/o wheels that uses pallet jacks for moving them. A pallet jack on each end of shelf unit could easily move a very large shelf. I see no need for the considerable expense of have wheels on each shelf when most of the time the wheels aren't needed. Just design the shelves to be moved in the store with pallet jacks and to be loaded on a truck with a fork lift.

If the shelves were no longer than the inside of the truck is wide, it would be easy to lift the shelf to the back of a truck with a forklift and then move it forward with pallet jacks. Two pallet jacks in the store and two in the truck and a fork lift with large tires would make quick work of emptying the store. I'm surprised they don't have a forklift now for unloading deliveries.
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Re: Shelves with Wheels

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat Oct 08, 2011 5:23 am

Yanche wrote:How about a shelf design w/o wheels that uses pallet jacks for moving them.


That wouldn't be a problem except getting them onto the trucks, then what about when they are on the truck? If I can't pack them in there good he'll need 6 tractor trailers. I might go 4*4 feet with the bolts and nuts but most of these are going to be 8 foot long and four feet wide. The loading dock if you want to call it that is only 2 feet off the ground so I'll need some kind of ramp to get them into the truck. My brother has some C-channel he had set up to to get the tools out of the basement, I'm going to take that and make a ramp. Once I get one ramp done we'll test it out...


I see no need for the considerable expense of have wheels on each shelf when most of the time the wheels aren't needed.


It's a hardware store. :D One great thing here is I have all the hardware I need and if I don't have it like the wheels they aren't retail cost. If in the event this happens again a couple hundred dollars worth of wheels is a pretty good investment compared to $100K worth of merchandise laying out in the parking lot. Plus he'll be right back in business fast with a full store, he's lost A LOT of business because he's a victim himself. There's other advantages to the wheels like being able to rearrange them easily to accommodate other merchandise. If for example he decides to start selling coal stoves he's going to have to make a spot for them. :)


on a truck with a fork lift.


There is no fork lift there presently, it's unlikely he will see a flood like this again but since I can't guarantee there will be a forklift there it's not an option. I need to be able to get these onto trucks out the back door with the assumption it will be just peoaple moving them. Keep in mind Yanche with this last flood it was fast, you usually get some time so you can plan for this but this literally happened overnight.

I'm surprised they don't have a forklift now for unloading deliveries.


Largest item they get is snowblowers, they don't carry tractors.A forklift would get very little use there however they do have every nut and bolt known to man. A quick estimate and I'd say $200K worth nuts and bolts alone. As far as the hardware goes they have everything and when I say everything I mean everything. They don't for example carry drills but there was about $5K worth of damaged drill bits and he still has $5K worth of drill bits undamaged. He's actually way overstocked or was overstocked.... His Father recently passed but if you ever saw that show "Hoarders" that was him except with merchandise. The difference with him is he loved to get rid of it too as long as he was making a buck. He couldn't resist a deal and was more than willing to buy big lots of merchandise if the price was right. There's stuff in that store still stocked that was there 20 years ago when I worked there.

I'll have to tell this funny story his daughter in law told me.... He comes back with this Furby around Christmas time when they were all the rage years ago and she says she asked him how the hell he managed to get it. Apparently he was at the mall and said there was this big line of women.. so he got in line. LOL. He bought the damn thing and didn't even know what it was. Sold it for very nice profit. ;)
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Re: Shelves with Wheels

PostBy: Rick 386 On: Sat Oct 08, 2011 11:53 pm

Richard,

I know you are trying to make things easier for the next time but.......................

First off, those shelves are going to way a ton fully loaded. Trying to just use man power to move them may be a real chore. And then if you have to push them uphill to get them onto a truck ???

My inlaws auto paint jobber store was impacted by the 2006 flood in Pottstown. The wife and I were coming down I-81 from Canada as the storms were training northward along the corridor. We got home and she literally jumped out of my truck and into her car to go to their store to put stuff up high on the shelves. The next morning, the decision was made to evacuate as much merchandise as was possible and put everything else as high as they could. Luckily the water only got up to 3+ ft. in the store. We loaded 2 16' haulmark trailers with everthing from the floor to 4' up. All rolls of masking paper, empty paint cans, etc. That "chit" weighed a freaking ton. No body realized how much we were putting into the trailers until we went to leave, and had to go uphill.

I sold stuff out of their trailers for them for almost a week until the water receeded and they could move back into the store.

If your buddy can make a real loading dock for TT's to back into, that would be a big help. Try to use a forklift if possible. If not make sure the wheels will support the weight. It would really suck if you tried to roll them and they collapsed thereby preventing you from getting the other stuff out of the store.

If he can, sit back, relax, and really plan out this newly revamped store. Keep playing the what if's all you can.

I have some steel crossmembers from TT trailers that my dad used to keep firewood on to keep it off the ground. Maybe this is what you need to make a ramp. They are heavy, but they don't bend.



Rick
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Re: Shelves with Wheels

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sun Oct 09, 2011 6:18 am

coaledsweat wrote:Use the largest diameter wheels you can.


It's going to be really smooth surface they will be on, no bumps or anything. I was at first going for 6 inch but I'd like to get lower profile so it's probably going to be 4 inch. They were rated for 300 lbs each so maybe 6 on each 8 foot section and I'll probably try and get ones rated for 4 or 5 hundred pounds.
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Re: Shelves with Wheels

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sun Oct 09, 2011 6:33 am

Rick 386 wrote: It would really suck if you tried to roll them and they collapsed thereby preventing you from getting the other stuff out of the store.


Rick when I build something it's done deal. ;) Here's the pedestals I built for my Mom's washer and dryer, we forgot to run the one line behind it before I installed them and you should of heard my Brother... he was mumbling something about six million screws :lol: :

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Arch, you could hang a side of beef from it. Note it's solid wood across entire bottom of arch:

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