Looking for some imput on how my ash looks?

Looking for some imput on how my ash looks?

PostBy: k9 Bara On: Mon Oct 17, 2011 9:37 pm

More air, less air? Picture was taken with cell, not the best quality. :?:

Thank you
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Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM
Coal Size/Type: Rice Anthricite

Re: Looking for some imput on how my ash looks?

PostBy: Rob R. On: Mon Oct 17, 2011 9:41 pm

Looks like you have it dialed in fine. No unburned coal visible, and hardly a clinker.

What settings are you using?
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Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93
Other Heating: Dad's 1953 EFM Highboy

Re: Looking for some imput on how my ash looks?

PostBy: k9 Bara On: Mon Oct 17, 2011 9:45 pm

Wow. That was fast, thanks for the quick response. 3 teeth, and around mid point of the air adjustment. Using Harmony coal.
I have a better picture, trying to upload from phone now.

The ash is very light and crushes easily in your hand.
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Coal Size/Type: Rice Anthricite

Re: Looking for some imput on how my ash looks?

PostBy: stoker-man On: Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:48 am

Keep an eye on the pot. With that much air, you could be burning deep into the pot. After a long stead burn, you want to see a dark spot in the middle of the pot. You could also have air leaks at the gaskets that are requiring extra air.
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Other Heating: Hearthstone wood stove

Re: Looking for some imput on how my ash looks?

PostBy: Rob R. On: Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:15 am

When running 3 teeth on rice, I get great results with the air on 3.5. As suggested, running too much air can cause the fire to burn low in the pot, and possibly into the burner tube.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
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Other Heating: Dad's 1953 EFM Highboy

Re: Looking for some imput on how my ash looks?

PostBy: Rick 386 On: Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:45 am

k9 Bara wrote:Looking for some input on how my ash looks?



I think that pot you keep it in makes your ash look huge !!! :funny: :nana: :whistle:



Sorry I couldn't resist.

Carry on.



Sorry to derail the topic.




Rick
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Re: Looking for some imput on how my ash looks?

PostBy: k9 Bara On: Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:03 am

Rick 386 wrote:
k9 Bara wrote:Looking for some input on how my ash looks?



I think that pot you keep it in makes your ash look huge !!! :funny: :nana: :whistle:



Sorry I couldn't resist.

Carry on.
Lmao. I expewit. Ok ill take a picture after a long burn. Thank you for the replies.


Sorry to derail the topic.




Rick
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Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM
Coal Size/Type: Rice Anthricite

Re: Looking for some imput on how my ash looks?

PostBy: Sting On: Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:23 am

Rick 386 wrote:
Sorry I couldn't resist.


Image
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Re: Looking for some imput on how my ash looks?

PostBy: k9 Bara On: Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:12 am

k9 Bara wrote:
Rick 386 wrote:
k9 Bara wrote:Looking for some input on how my ash looks?



I think that pot you keep it in makes your ash look huge !!! :funny: :nana: :whistle:



Sorry I couldn't resist.

Carry on.
Lmao. I expewit. Ok ill take a picture after a long burn. Thank you for the replies.


Sorry to derail the topic.




Rick


LOL, I made that post before my coffee.

I expected that type of comment, :D


Here is burning pot pic. Not much of a dark spot, too much air?
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Re: Looking for some imput on how my ash looks?

PostBy: k9 Bara On: Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:15 am

And how do you guys count your feed clicks? I just count from the small front pawl, bump,bump,bump, I said that was three. :oops:
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Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM
Coal Size/Type: Rice Anthricite

Re: Looking for some imput on how my ash looks?

PostBy: ben On: Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:19 am

Looks good that what my 350 looks like burning and the ash too.
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Re: Looking for some imput on how my ash looks?

PostBy: Rob R. On: Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:40 am

Assuming the stoker was running for 20-30 minutes before you took that picture, I would back the air down and watch for a thinner ash ring. I don't think you are too far from the mark, but UAE is potent coal and you need to make sure the air is not set too high.

Here are two videos that some crazy guy posted on youtube. The first one is 4 teeth and 4 air, the second is 5 teeth and 4.5 air. I have it on good report that the stoker was burning Kimmel's rice. Notice how the orange area is larger, the ash ring is thinner, and the center of the fire is slightly darker. The dark spot in the second video is a little larger than I usually see with those settings...possibily because the stoker hadn't been running continuously for very long.





I am no EFM expert, but if you can get away with less air, and have a good ash ring without excessive amounts of unburned coal in the ashes...you will have a more efficient boiler with a lower stack temperature.

Edit: Fixed spelling.
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Re: Looking for some imput on how my ash looks?

PostBy: Pacowy On: Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:13 pm

x2 on less air (or more coal) and a smaller ash ring.

I wouldn't obsess about a small amount of unburned coal in the the ash. Even in a good fire, all pieces don't get burned to ash at exactly the same rate, and pieces that aren't completely burned can get "marooned". If you try to feed enough air to minimize/eliminate that, the boiler won't run efficiently. It's kind of like trying to run your car engine so zero gas vapors escape the combustion chamber unburned. If you have a lot of unburned coal in the ash, you might want to look more closely at the quality or uniformity of the sizing of the coal you're using. In general, I'd focus mainly on fine-tuning the fire, rather than the ash.

Mike
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Re: Looking for some imput on how my ash looks?

PostBy: Rob R. On: Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:37 pm

Mike brings up a good point. Just because you have unburned coal in the ashes doesn't mean the fire is not adjusted properly...your coal supply may be the culprit and contain exessive amounts of slate/bone. In that case, adjust for a nice burn and the ashes are what they are.

What works good for one person may not work for the next. Even if you are happy with the way your stoker is running, it is a good idea to keep an eye on it when you get a fresh load of coal...especially if it is from a different supplier.
Rob R.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93
Other Heating: Dad's 1953 EFM Highboy

Re: Looking for some imput on how my ash looks?

PostBy: vermontday On: Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:32 pm

The videos that Markvii' posted are interesting.

It would be great if EFM had a series of pictures for reference at the same firing time with different settings to help us all learn what is a good fire.

I kept hearing of the elusive dark spot of fresh coal in the middle and didn't see it for the first year I burned. It wasn't until we came home from a winter vacation where the house was jacked up immediately from 50 F, five showers in a row and a weeks worth of laundry going that I finally saw the dark spot.

I guess we never challenged the boiler before!
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